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Episode 5 · 1 year ago

Why Johnny can't come home Episode 4: Lebensborn and MK-ULTRA

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In this episode we go down another rabbit hole and find ourselves in the twisted world of a Nazi program called Lebensborn. This was a truly evil program because it centered around kidnapping and brainwashing children. Rick thinks that the CIA was doing the same thing to support clandestine activities like MK-ULTRA and project Monarch. Seems like there are a lot of evil lunatics out there who want to make a Manchurian candidate or two. Could Johnny Gosch have been a victim of this program? Find out!


Okay, we are back in the bunker. That's right, DN is here in the flesh, in my own personal abandoned beam of bunker, and we're drinking the truth serum and we're talking more about kidnappings and MK Ultra, all kinds of weird underground satanic stuff that relates to the Johnny Gosh case. I'm really glad to be back. You have done a lot of work on your bunkers since lockdown started and it's looking really good, looking a lot less abandoned. I think this is a super mutant and stuck a friend or we got to get back to the Johnny Ghosh thing and we're getting close to the end, promise. You know, I went back and I was looking at what got me interested in this case and you know, I first became aware of the whole Johnny Gosh kidnapping thing by reading the resistance manifesto by Mark Dice, and it is kind of a crazy book. Are you crazy? It's all about conspiracies, the new world order in the Illuminati. But really got me into this was that there's this fascinating chapter and it's all about project monarch, which was a successor of the CIA's notorious MK Ultra and mark dice describes how, during World War II, SS officer Heinrich Himmler was in charge of a scientific program called Lateman's corn which the Nazis were using selective breeding in the adoption of children to create an Aryan quote super race. It is the central theme of hugenics. Fewer children from the unfit, more from the fit, and in Hitler's Germany, the fittest of all were men and women with blond hair, blue eyes and without a trace of Jewish blood. Under the program known as Leavensporn, adults with these traits were encouraged to produce thousands of babies, and these kids would grow up to have a total allegiance to the Nazi party, basically being brainwashed, hive mind kids, you know right. So Laban'sborn means font our fount of life in German, and the plan was this was state sponsored SS led. They would take these kids and give them to ss families or other kind of quote unquote, Superior Race Families to raise them up in the Nazi way to be the future leaders of Germany. I mean, it was totally messed up, and these unlucky children were considered to be the property of the state of Germany. The first to years of my life I was in there, raising orphanages or foster homes for bread on farms that were run by the SS and they actually ended up reading about eleven thoud of these children between nineteen thirty five and nineteen forty five, and they lived their entire lives, their entire life damn, without ever knowing who their real parents were. Well, what's even more troubling is that when Germany started to expand beyond its borders and invade their neighbor states, that are and looking children, so blondhaired, blue eyed kids in neighboring countries were actually kids napped off the streets and put into the Laban's born program and in fact, Nazi record show that an estimated two hundredzero pholeish children were kidnapped and brainwashed by these evil manias. That's two hundred thou and numbers insane. That's insane number like let that sink in. If you're doing something else where, you're listenings program, just stop and think about two hundredzero kids stolen from off the streets and nobody knows what happened to them, but they were there to be the mind slaves of the Nazi party. It's a small city. It's actually a medium sized city, right, I mean it. And in the scheme of American city, this is a small city. That's acram that's a lot of people. Yeah, it's an Acron of brainwashed the acronanazi kids. Yeah. So, anyway, according to mark dice and others, the Labans born program would later become the inspiration for the CIA's project monarch, which was once part of the notorious MK...

Ultra Program. The idea behind all this craziness was allegedly they were going to kidnapped she heads off the street or take them out of foster homes or find them in places like boys town and Omaha, Nebraska, and use them in experiments or covert operations or to create a Manchurian candidate. MIC control research back home intensifies. The new goal is to cause an individual to become subservient to an imposed control to the point where he will perform acts against his will and then have no memory of the act. It sounds wild and hard to believe, in it is, and we really don't know that much about what was really going on, since almost everything about the program either remains classified or is totally unknown. When I saw this in the show on us, I got so excited the when I got the connection that mark dice made in that you made between Laban's born program and the mysterious can happenings of kids and the states that started in the s through the hunted satanic panic and even today with the human trafficking. The whole time that we've been doing this series that keep saying what's why? Like I could even believe that the highest echelons of our societies and government are involved in it, but only if they're involved for like real politic reason or like a rational reason, because they I don't believe that every president politician cares about child sex and wouldn't write. Unfortunately, be surprised if some did care. But if there's an actual plan behind it, and you know, maybe it's some crazy offshoot research, you know facility and the CIA, that project that went off the rails or whatever, but if there's some planning behind it where they're trying to create like a soldier race of manturing candidates or something like that, and they have to use the sexual abuse in the Satanic Ritual Superin. Why them? That kind of gives this whole kind of like I keep on at the unifying conspiracy theory. That finally clicked for me and I it blew my mind. I really got me excited when I came across this connection. You may we know that some of it is true for effect. I mean we do have Operation Paper Clip, which is pretty much declassify, where we got these evil Nazi scientists and we started giving them the reins of our research and letting them kind of call the shot. So even though we beat the Nazis, we kind of incorporated the Nazis at the same time. I mean operation favorite clip, where we got a burner of oner on and yeah, all those people. That's we got to the moon thanks to Nazi scientists and we, I don't think Nazi scientists. I don't like about the scientists for anything. What is the moon ever given us? Anyway? It's true. You know, if we've ever been to when we're talking about project monarch, even the name itself carries a deep occult meaning it. And Remember, the Nazis were very much into the occult. One of the reasons that people point to this having a cult connection so that it symbolize a butterflies transformation in the cocoon and it has a reference to it that they could be control over person's soul. Even the Dolly Llama spoke about this symbol and to him it was a dark symbol. He suggested that the butterfly is a very cold symbol. It's devoid of emotion and he used the example how a butterfly never meets its mother, it has to fend for itself and it experiences very little kindness. According to the Dali Lama, this could be a symbol of either a detached home life and that someone growing up in this environment would find it very difficult to show compassion and empathy for others. So if anything that we know about project monarch is true, then it's horrendousing, cruel and, like you were talking about the torture aspect it involves. That involves hypnosis...

...and mine altering drugs and it called rituals and the supposed end goal was to create a kind of brainwash mine slave. It's been widely discussed a victims of this type of trauma usually don't remember the whole process due to the mind's own protection mechanism. This kind of thing can be seen in PTSD and explains how, after terrible accidents, you know, the victim just kind of wakes up in the hospital. He has no idea how he got there. The extreme trauma has been shown to cause the nervous system to actually shut down parts of the brain that deal with perception and conscious memory, and that could explain how I've Johnny Gosh is still actually alive. He might have been part of this preywashing parking and he might have been brainwatched to the point where he can't or he isn't willing to return to his family. Some of these mind control techniques were described in detail in a older National Geographic episode about MK Gold Projects, a three part technique which started with an effort to wipe out past patterns of behavior, and this was accomplished through the use of particularly intensively repeated high level all that good shocks until no more convulsions could be a listener from a patient camera then plays tape recorded messages through helmets that are locked to his patients heads. This psychic driving forces them to listen to repetitive statements for weeks on end to program in new behavior. Now the final phase was to try to wipe out all recollection of what had happened, and that was accomplished by putting people to sleep for thirty, forty days, accompanied by different kinds of cocktails of drugs. Now that's not any kind of therapy, that's a brainwashing experiment. You know, as I'm just sitting and thinking about this and in the lens of kind of faceless government agents just doing this to experiment and making like the perfect race or whatever, are I think that it seems so crazy. But then you think, like you know, those Nazi scientists when they connect two hundredzero children, a lot of them are probably just kind of emotional, emotionless bureaugrapts, you know, like she just doing their thing. Yeah, it was that. Is that that famous book? I'm blinking. The woman's name is you're a finish book. Was Sheet coining the phrase the banality of evil, and it's just that, like a lot of what the Nazis did was actually boring bureaucracy and like that's the same idea here. And like back in the S and s, the government was reacting to things that would come out of Moscow using like microwave frequency and extremely little frequencies to like affect people, and they started blasting my craves on sailors in Philadelphia to see, like what would happen. Wow. So, like it's not that they elate for me to think that they would torture people and can have people to see what happened. In a way, this is a really weird thing to even be curious about, but maybe that's what was going on. I don't know. I mean, if you if you think that this is what the Moscow scientists are doing, because, remember, this is all during the Cold War. Yeah, it that legitimizes a lot of crazy things, even crazy things. Let's get more into today's show. You've heard the old edage that children should be seen in not her right. It's a kind of damage and old relic. I mean there's some many you expect to find centuries ago when kids were forced to work and coal mines or on Spool wool in a mill and get their little fingers shopped off. I mean it's a leftover at archaic way of thinking. But yeah, it was exactly what the Omaha Police Department wanted from any child, especially child like Loretta Smith that was suffering from the effects of sexual violence, and it even became their official position on how to deal with any kid that dare to accute who's the well connected Lawrence King, of rapes or satanic ritual abuse for kidnappings, all the way up to murder. And you...

...remember from the last episode because we were talking about Lauretta Smith and how she was allegedly abused in about every single way that a person could be abused by this politician, Laurence King, and other people from the Omaha Girls Town. Loretta wind up being hospitalized suffering from flashbacks, depression, PTSD, and she was admitted to the Richard Young Behavioral Health Center and Kurney Nebraska. The reason that we're going to be talking about this and why we started with talking about the MK Altra things, because I think we're on a trail here about what is happening and I think that all the different types of abuse that Lauretta Smith went through and other kids like her actually plays a part in that. But while she was hospitalized she began to open up and she told her therapist about incidents that are incredibly disturbing, child pornography and devil worshiping and in June of one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight, an officer from the Omaha Police Department named Carmen. Officer Carmen was brought as interview Loretta. He came to her bedside and took her statement and, according to Aufuicer Carmen's report, Loretta explained to him how she had become involved in pornography at the age of nine years old. But covered a lot of this in the last episode. If you haven't heard it, you should check it out. By Johnny can't come home, episode three, the Franklin cover up. Well, it looks like there was a giant pedophile network operating out of Omaha, and the worst part was they were almost in plain sight. They were being protected by the police in the politicians. Loretta told officer Carmen About The Times that she'd visited Omaha Girls Club with her friends Nellie and Kimberally Webb, and you'd probably remember them from the last episode, and how they did some quote modeling too, and that they would go on these, again, are quotes, field trips to professional studios where they would pose nude. She talked about how Larry King, or Lawrence King, is we're calling them, how he was both a participant and a supporter of all the satanic activities that were going on. The more that officer Carmen spoke with Aretta, the more concerned he became for her safety and for the safety of all these other children that were involved in this network. Loretta told officer Carmen about power meetings, meetings that would occur either at Lawrence Kings home or at abandoned buildings, and kids like her, kids from girls town and boys town, were taken to these places and engage in something that was basically a satanic ritual. They talked about pentagrams being drawn on the floor, adult leaders and dark clothes with upside down crosses, lighting candles, doing incantations and asking the girls to kill something that they loved, and told them that this would be a way that they would gain power. Even more disturbing, Loretta described the mutilation of animal, animal sacrifice all the way up to human babies being sacrificed, and then the girls would be forced to engage in the cannibalism of eating these dead children. It was horrifying and the worst part of all was that officer Carmen began to see just how well connected Lawrence King was and how much protection he had. Officer Carmen Promised Loretta he would be back and he instructed her to try to remember as much information as you could before he came back. That just didn't protected back. The place he's singing the national and that's right now recognized as large King Jr. Remember the Nebraska Aga, the names that come up later. But like, how did he go from the the guy that was asked to run a credit union to a rising political star to the Satanic Party? That's the presence. We don't the weirdest. We don't really know. But if we're following kind of our theory...

...that we have with MK Ultra, it plays into one the whole idea of like satanic rituals, and especially satanic ritual abuse, are perfect if you want to split somebody's mind into multiple personalities, because they're horrifying and they make you kill things you love and also get molested as a child and like everyone's like they're trying to induce PTSD. Yes, that is one of the goals of Mkultra and in fact, when you look at it, what they were doing at first was taking adults and going to mental institutions and in different places where people wouldn't really be missed. And it is actually started in concentration camps. And you could break a person so hard and so badly that you would bring them back to the point where they were an infant, and you can impress upon them anything you wanted. And so to do the real MK Altra, if you really want to be in someone's head and control their mind, you have to break them in every kind of way that you can think to break them. So if the satanic rituals are perfect for that. It's so messed up, and the more you talk about and explain you see again those roots and Laban's born, because here in the state falling this theory, they have to go to the neglected people in the orphanages and stuff like that. There they would just raid countries and take scoop them up. But like it's the same brute force tactics and say horrifying things like to break their brains and to induce PTSD so that you can like form their brains to whatever you want. And I can't get over how evil the Nazis, for I mean, six million people were killed in the Holocaust and most of them died in concentration camps. Where they had free reign to do whatever evil experiment they wanted on them. But that still wasn't even enough for them, right they had to go out and can a people. So, anyway, officer Carmen comes to the Hospital Interviews Loretta. He has enough stuff to keep him busy investigating for a long while. However, the chief of police quickly puts a stop to that. He comes into officer Carmen's office one day and asked him if playing point blank, are you investigating Lawrence King? And Officer Carmen tells him he is, and he shuts it down. In fact, a couple days later he has officer Carmen reassigned to research and planning role with the police force. So he's basically now about as far away from any type of investigations he can possibly get. In fact, later on, when the whole Franklin Commission gets created and this thing starts to spin out of control, officer Carmen was called to testify and he said that even though he was taken off the case, he still thought that the claims that Loretta was making, the charges that she was alleging, were valid and that they needed to be investigated fully. About five days after officer Carmen made that statement, the chief of police actually try to have him declared insane and remove from the police force. So the entire time that Loretta was hospitalized she interacted with the staff, in particular Dr k shilling. A Dr K shilling was a psychiatrist and she happened to believe everything that Loretta was saying was truthful. She contacted the police on multiple occasions on the RRETTA's behalf and basically she was left puzzled why the police didn't not deem what this girl is saying is serious enough. Remember, she's making allegations in regards to everything from sexually abusing children to murder and cannibalism, and the police department just seemed like they had no interest in following up. And one point, after officer Carmen did is one and only interview with Loretta, Dr Shilling called back to the Omaha Police Department and told them that Loretta is much more loose and now than she was when officer Carmen came to do the interview, that she's opening up and that she is able to communicate better and has much more detail in these allegations. However, she didn't get so much as a phone...

...call back. And DR K shilling wasn't the only employee of the Richard Young Hospital to be stonewalled by the police department either. In fact, therapists, nurses other doctors were also contacting the police on behalf of Loretta. And you know what, the police didn't do anything. And this seems familiar if you've been following the Johnny goosh case, because when Johnny was kidnapped from nearby West den Moy Ande Iowa, the police department, they are, refused to follow any leads. They were uncooperative, they didn't want help from any outside agency. They basically just wanted everyone to shut up and forget about it. And that's exactly what the Omaha Police Department wanted from not only Loretta, but from any type of professional, any type of advocate for these kids. They wanted them to shut up and go away. Dr K shilling would later be called to testify and when the senators were questioning her about the handling of this case by the police department, they asked her if the handling of by the Omaha police of farm would have any detrimental effects on Loretta, and she said absolutely, because what they were doing is basically reinforcing everything that child Predator or someone that abuses children tells them, that they have all the power, that no one's going to believe you and no one's going to do anything about it. That's the recurring theme in all this is that all of a sudden enforcement doesn't remember how to investigate a case, they slam the door and things get silent. Well, Kids like Loretta were being silenced in their cases were going nowhere. Justice was being delayed or denied to these children. Even though a lot of the adults, like the doctors and nurses from the Richard Young Hospital, tried to help, they were unsuccessful. It really did kind of look like these pedophiles were going to be able to get away with this, in definitely that they could do whatever they wanted and not have to worry. However, there is one tireless hero in this story and she makes a huge difference in the case. Her name is Carol stit and she is one of the directors for the Foster Care Review Board of Nebraska. Now, they basically oversee all the runaways and the kids that are in foster home or adopted and make sure that they're welfare is being looked after. Now. Carol stit but been receiving reports from her field off officers about similar allegations that Loretta was making. In fact they all go back to the same guy, to Lawrence King, into the boys town and girls town in Omaha Nebraska. She couldn't understand why the police wouldn't investigate anything. And I remember the Foster Care Review Board is not a law enforcement agency. They can't arrest people, they can't open up investigations and they can't file charges. For that they need the police force and they were not getting any help from the local police department. So one of the things that Carol stood did was she went to the governor and had a meeting with him and the governor told her to do whatever was in her power to create some kind of commission to look into this. But that turned out to be just kind of a sham because he set her up at the attorney general and they didn't do anything. They took all her files and had said in a drawer for about six months till she went back to the governor. Growing in patient, she demands another meeting with the governor and one a schedule, but it is canceled on the day of the appointment, and then another meeting is scheduled and then that is canceled. And then finally somebody, some political lackey from the governor's office, Finally Calls Carolston and tells that the governor is no longer willing to meet with her. She kept getting kind of pushed around and meetings canceled and delayed and it looked like it was going nowhere. She met again with the Attorney General. He agreed to let her have an investigator, as long as he only work part time. However, then investigator was garbage to we didn't investigate anything back he was obsessed with whether or not Lawrence King's wife was a US citizen, which was not a question that anyone was worried about. They were trying to save these kids. If we're getting the...

...investgator, I do want to say Ay, you do the job of calling out that there are people that are heroes or at the very least just doing their jobs seriously, and she's wanting like you think this. Carol'STD has seen her head, seen at that time hundreds of thousands of cases. She knows what's Bs and what's not and she's trying this hard to push this one, even as she's getting all the your credit pushback. It tells you something about the credibility of, you know, at least some of the allegations. There's they got serious people concerned. Yeah, I mean it is shocking how high his goes. You know, as Lauretta's in the hospital and she's making her allegations, her life becomes endangered and she starts to receive a whole bunch of death threats. Now Carol Stitt, who's been steadfast as whole thing, she's concerned for Loretta's well being, so she goes to the Douglas County District Attorney's Office and Files to get protection order for her. Now, Douglas County is the county that almaha is in. So she, Carol stood, files for this protection order and when she gets her copy she's looking it over and she's shocked to see that in the narrative it's talking about how Lauretta Smith has been on the street for weeks and how she suicidal. Now both of those things are not true. This girl's in the hospital and she's not suicidal. So that's how they do it. That's like a pro they're tying up loose ends. If they have to have this girl suicide herself or murder her or whatever. You know, they already got a paper trail. Plus, they would disqualify her in any type of future court proceedings if they listed her as being that, you know, emotionally disturbed, that she was a suicide risk. No, it's really smart. And you know at that time who you're going to believe, the suicidal streetwalking Laura Smith, based on the false report, or Laurence King, the well respected member of society that sang the mass yeah, Lampem shakes hands with the president. And so that's the way things kept going. And look like the bad guys are winning and they sure seem to be untouchable. And then this happened. On Friday November four one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight, just four days before Xcia director scull and bones, member the Hem and Grove, George Hw Bush, was elected president of the United States, agents from the FBI, the Irus and the National Credit Union administration swoop down on the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union and shut their doors. Oh, so they finally decided to take the allegations of sex abuse and child murder. Seriously, no, but let a couple million dollars go missing and all hell's about to break loose. Ex Sense. Senator Schmidt even called for a legislative probe. On the second meeting of a special hearing and the Legislative Executive Board, another senator, this guy called Chambers, made a dramatic announcement about the probe. The investigation would not only be covering financial wrongdoing, he said, but also the physical and sexual abuse of children by persons connected with the Franklin Federal Credit Union. Carol Stitt showed up and some of her colleagues also want with her and they presented the files they had on the web foster home and the Lauretta Smith files. Credit to Senator Chambers. That's at least another person here trying to at least get to the bottom of these allegations, and credit to Carol Stitt for never giving up, even though she was shunned and shut out by the Attorney General, by the Governor and by anybody else that would be considered her boss. She kept with it and she wanted to make sure that justice was done for these kids. She brought Dennis Carlson, one of her employees from the Foster Care Review Board, and he told the committee that the allegations that they're about to hear are something that would shock the committee that they're going to deal with called activities in the sacrifice of small children. Okay, let's do a little bit of theater. I'm not saying it's...

...going to be good, but Dan and I are going to read the transcripts and we're going to take turns, me in the different people involve. So Dan is going to start reading as Senator Remmer. The question that came into mind. It's been in my mind since you've been testifying and I think you've answered part of it just now, as you're talking about these abuses from children from boys town and Girls Club and so forth. Now, is their common thread that goes over here to the credit union deal that we're investigating, in other words to the Franklin Credit Union? Is there a common thread there that kind of leads to that? Now I'm going to read as Carol stick and I'm not going to make a female voice, so don't expect that. Well, the common thread is Larry King, senator memors. Yes, that's what I mean it all goes back to him. Okay, it's around this time that the Senate decided to create the Franklin Committee and hired private investigator Gary Karadori, a former state patrolment Kara door is the only decent law man in this whole saga. He finds an interviews victims and gathers detailed allegations of sexual abuse, drug usage, pornography and other crimes by prominent Omaha citizens and maybe even found out what happened to Johnny Gosh. It just a real quick done in Gary Caridori, when I was researching him, like he has a pass as a law ENFORCET MON officer. He's been an investigator for a long time. He was of the quality of person that a state legislative investigation committee would hire him. So he's not some cook. There's no Slouch, definitely not. One of the girls that interviewed is someone named Alicia Owens, and we're not I don't want to get into a case too much, not trying to get bogged down into this. This whole thing is really about Johnny Gosh, but I just want to tell you a little bit about her to kind of frame how deep the Krupt and why she was initially hesitant to discuss her past. But she does claim that she met Larry King when she was fourteen through some kids from boys town and that she was raped by Larry King and the Omaha Chief of police, remember the guy that was covering up all the investigations and given his seal of approval to pornographers and everything. She claims that the chief of police raped her with his gun, which is really messed up. She went on about the chief and now he was mostly into the little boys, that she would see him fondly little boys on his lap. She described being photographed naked by rusty Nelson. That was the photographer that the chief of police like so much. She mentioned underage sex parties with the superintendent. He comes up a lot of times. He's a superintendent of the school that these kids all go too. So these poor kids have the chief of police, high politically connected Larry King and their own superintendent. And she basically confirmed all the leads that the foster carry V board had. Yeah, so what Carol Staid and her people were finding was actually being verified by another kid that they didn't even identify or ever talked to. So that definitely adds credibility to this. And Alicia said she took numerous plane trips at the direction of Lawrence King for sexual purposes, and these trips included flights to Los Angeles, Kansas City, Pasadena, California, and on these flights there were other kids. This kind of reminds me of the whole Epstein thing with the Lowlita Express and everything. Alicia also described going to Larry King's house and seeing pentagrams drawn on the kitchen floor, which is not weird at all, and she described seeing satanic pictures on the wall. For all her trouble, she was rewarded with being placed on trial for perjury. And at the same time her trial was going on, her younger brother was arrested for joy riding in a stolen car and he was found in his jail cell. He had the shit beat out of him and apparently hung himself in his cell. So that's what you get for speaking out against Larry King. Definitely sends a message, sure does so. Anyway, the point of this whole thing was that this guy, Gary Kadori finds...

...a lot of victims like Alicia, victims that were molested by Laurence King that were molested by the chief of police, that were covered up in silence, and this all points the fact that there is this ring of kidnappers and child exploitation people that are operating nearby where Johnny Gosh disappeared, that their professionals, that they got I mean, they prove to you that they can get away with it, that they could do it, that they didn't even need to hide it. So if you're wondering what happened to Johnny Gosh, this would be a good place to look. Gary carrodor interviewed a ton of people like this. He had a lot of damning evidence and actually, on July ten one thousand nine hundred and ninety, Gary Karrodori called his boss. He was working for the Senate committee, so he called Senator Lauren Schmidt and he formed them that he now had the subjects of their investigation. By the quote short hitters, the next morning, of course, he was dead. He died in a small plane crash. But that wasn't the only suspicious thing that happened to him. Right, right, well, all leading up to this time, Gary carried y was telling people that his car was being messed with. I think he saw people outside his home. This is all documented in the conspiracy of silence documentary with they interview people, including Lauren Schmidt, and people close to it. And so at this time Gary actually fled with his son, I believe, to see the Allstar game from Major League Baseball. And while he was out of town, because he was an amateur pilot or you know, he would flies on plane, and while he was there, I you know, he took a little side trip and he had gathered the information. He even told Lauren Schmidt that he had a book with names and addresses that could tie all these suspects to the whole conspiracy. And he even told him, he said, I got one step ahead of them. Finally, if they find out I'm dead. Wow. So, you know, I read to that like he started driving in different car because of the other card been tampered with. We talked about his home being broken into. There was somebody, people that could reach out and touch him, were reaching out and messing with him. Yeah, he's definitely being harassed and followed, at least according to him. And then on July eleven, one thousand nine hundred and ninety between to forty am and two hundred and fifty seven. I am in North Central Illinois. His plane crashed. Now there was eyewitnesses to a farming reported that he saw a flash of light hurt, an explosion and saw the plane plunge to the ground. And this is from John and Caun's book the Franklin cover up. The eyewitness account of the flash of lightning explosion was on the early edition the news in Nebraska but then was pulled and never seen again. The FAA basically said we're not sure what happened. They never investigated it and years later there's a freedom of Information Act asking about this and I think the local law enforcement said he flew to thunderstorms for some reason. FSS, which I think is flight safety something, never told him that there's no other storms there. So well, I know that they're able to recover the black box. They're able to recover most of his personal effects. The only thing they couldn't find was his briefcase and any of the evidence that he had with him. So that's not suspicious in any way at all, is it no very cool? Well, before he died, and this is where we're right on top of the Johnny Cosh case. Now, he uncovered a man named Paul Binash. This guy had been picked up for male prostitution. He was a male hooker. At first it just seemed to be another ordinary sex crime kind of arrest, but upon being interviewed by the police Paul Benas he started making wild accusations and he claimed that he've been part of a sex ring since he was a boy and that the sect ring was connected to other prostitution groups throughout the US, including, and this is the scary part, one and washing in DC that even furnace child male prostitute. So boy prostitutes to the White House. The more the police spoke with him, the more interesting story became because, according to Bonashi, as he got older he lost his usefulness...

...as a child prostitute and enforced by his handlers into kidnapping replacements. Paul Binashi says that these replacements included a young Johnny Gosh. Paul Banashi was debrief by a man named Ray Stevens. He's an interesting guy. He spent a lot of time debriefing Paul Binashi, but before that he had a passed with kind of being connected with the Mafia and he had gone straight after being a safecracker for organized crime. He turned his skills and his connections into good and he ended up rescuing fifty children that were loss of the police had given up on and couldn't find. You know that he brought them back home and solved their cases. So he had some kind of connections in the underworld and he was able to get kids back. and the parents of Johnny Gosh Hired Roy Stevens after Gary Karadori died. And so this guy, Roy Stevens, goes to the prison where Bonashi is being held, when he starts to interview him and he even falls up on the places in the tips that Paul Binashi gives him. And he said that, and all the time they spend questioning Paul Binashi and falling up on his leads, that he had never once told him anything. That didn't turn out to be a hundred percent true. But now she described to Stevens the kidnapping of Johnny Gosh as an eyewitness. Well, we got up at before the sun got up. He Amelio, said he wanted to go out because he said that he had been around here before and stuff, and he said that paper boys be going out pretty soon. He said he might be able to that that would be the best bet. He wanted them because he said they were easier in mornings because that there was no one to else around. Everyone else is asleep. First Stevens, okay, so it's just you, Mike and Emelio and you were in his blue car, the Blue Chevy. Okay, then what happened? Oh, then he well, at first he had us, they they had mike was in the back seat and he was kind of covered up with a blanket. Me, I was stuck in the trunk because I had something in meally hit me a cup. I had said something. Amelia hit me a couple of times. First Stevens, what did you say? Call him a dirty bastard because of the way he treated Mike all night when we was in the hotel and stuff. He bought some other guy and made Mike have sex with that guy. I didn't think that was right. First Stevens, okay, so you're in the trunk and Mike is on the floor or on the back seat, covered with a blanket. Then what happened? And then I heard them talking to somebody else at the car, but I don't know who it was because we stopped. He was talking to somebody asking for directions, asking where some place was, and it sound like there was more than one kid. It sounds like there's a couple in there. And then we went around the block and he let me out of the trunk and told Mike to he says, if you don't do what I say, I'm going to shoot you. He is a gun. He pulled out and pointed at me and says you do what I say or I'll shoot you. We drove around. So you're out of the trunk now. Yeah, I was sit in the back seat with Mike. They're both sitting there. Were you hit in the back seat? Are you just sitting up normal, downlow, kind of sitting on the floor? And then Emilia, I guess. I don't know what he did, but he might told me. He says when the car slows down, he says, when you feel the break shirt, he says I'll grab them. You just hold him down. And so it happened quick it's like we went up. I felt the break shirt, I saw the door fly open, I saw Mike jump out and next day I know there was somebody. You know, he grabbed the boy and he's throwing a man in my job you know we were supposed to do is just holding down and gag his mouth so he couldn't yell or nothing, and then, after we had just like two seconds, just spun off, tore off got out of there. Now this bit of testimony is incredible because this is pretty much exactly what the attorney, neighbor that showed up after Johnny Gosh is kidnapping, and what some of the paper boys, when they were questioned, recalled. This was the blue car, the Blue Ford fairmount, going around asking weird questions for directions. When the attorney came out to speak to them, the car tore off like a bad out of hell. This lines up and the amazing thing, and Gary Karra Dory pointed this out, was that but nash she couldn't have known this stuff because a lot of the stuff wasn't available to the media. But he had precise...

...information exactly what happened when Johnny Gosh was kidnapped. It's like that Classic Police Show Troupe where they leave something out of the media report so they can find I who's done the truth or not. There's no way Paul Binaci should have known half this stuff. No, he could have known and then when he later goes on to describe birth marks and things like that on Johnny Gosh's body, that's another thing that wasn't available to the media that he knew. So you have to give Paul binash she a ton of credibility as far as this goes. All Right, Dan, I think that this makes a lot of sense because when we discussed the kidnapping of Johnny Gosh, we said that there was a driver, the suspected driver, was in a blue forward fair amount and he flashed his dome like a couple times and a guy walked out from between two houses and started falling Johnny Gosh. That is exactly what Paul Binashi is describing, whether he even understands the full in locations are not like that. Is Super Credible. His testimony lines up with one of the things that we said it SIS's is apart from a standard kidnapping, is that most kennappings aren't a conspiracy of involving multiple people. The most aren't well organized like this and planned out between the number of adults. So everything he said lines up with the original testimony of that lawyer who happened to be there the day of the kidnapping, but I see also described a network of safe house is that the kidnappers used and this is where the pedophile ring stored the children that they stole before they sold them, and that's right, sold them. He said that he met Johnny Goosh again several years later and then he provided again a detailed description of the farm on which Johnny Gosh was being Captain Colorado and that Gosh's new, we use quotations parents, was a homosexual man and a lesbian in the S, which is an odd coupling. You really think about that, because that's basically are they straight gay man and Lesbian woman raising a child? It's super weird. I don't know. But Gosh, according to Banashi, once attempted to run away and Paul Binashi said that they branded Gosh on his butt and that they use the same brand on horses and cows on their farm. So used like their ranch mark or whatever. Yeah, sounds terrible. I hope that's not true. Well, it says Binashi drew a picture of it for I steven's of that brand. So theoretically, if he could get a look at Jeff Ginnon's, but you might know if they was really Johnny Gosh and I don't want to delve into this, but you know Jeff Cannon was a pornographic actor. I don't know if there's any butt shots in there or not. Google it. I don't want to. I'll do a lot for this podcast, but and have my limits. So there was a guy called Emilio, and this part is really disturbing because he's part of a highly organized national and even International Kidnapping Ring. And Stevens is talking to Banashi again and Steven's ass put me what did Amelio tell you? He did, for we're living, kidnap kids and took them to Las Vegas. Kind of kids, any kidded he could get, doesn't matter if they're male or female. And no, he cannap boys or girls. Main think he cannaps boys, though, because he said he could get more money from Emilia used to tell me all kinds of things, like how they could get away with knapping kids and sell them out the country. He said mostly kids were sold in Las Vegas. That are ranch he took me to one time for an auction. I went with him to Toronto several times, where boys were sold. I saw a few girls once in a while, he said virgins could bring as much as Fiftyzero. They called the boys toys. Use Toys brought him more money, but not as much. Most boys were sold out of America because it's harder to find them. The men who bought these boy toys had planes and they could transport them easily. But Na she ran into Emilio again in March of one thousand nine hundred and eighty six, near Buena Vista,...

Colorado. On the second occasion he saw Johnny Gosh. Despite this astonishing new information from Paul Banashi on the Gosh Kidnapping, the West Den Moini Police Department of course had not interviewed Banashi and also had no plans to, because, according to the chief of police, we are aware what's going on in the charge of the Gosh investigation. We're not going to reinvent the wheel. This has been investigating Nebraska. When things need investigating here, they will be investigated. A fact is something unchanging and could be verified. Opinion, on the other hand, is subjective and a person's point of view. History contains not only facts but opinions to fill in the gaps, and it's these interpretations that feed urban legends. My name is Brenda and I'm the host of horrifying history, where you will hear about the unexplained, paranormal and supernatural happenings that is stained the pages of history. Join us to hear these tales and you can make up your own minds about what really happened in history. You can find us on any major podcast provider and on facebook, instagram or twitter to join our conversation. And that's we're going to leave it. The next episode we're going to be talking about some other weird stuff that was going on at the same time that involves this more specifically, Michael are really Oh and the Satanic Temple of set who is probably influencing laurence king, and they got some crazy stuff going on to and then we're getting near the end of this Johnny Gosh Saga. We still have to talk about more, a guess, about MK Ultra, satanism and everything like that, but it's been a long, drawn out process and it's kind of draining dealing with this dark topic, but we signed up for it, I guess, and we started it, so we're going to finish it. Thanks for listening and make sure that you subscribe if you're watching a youtube, click the notification bell and everybody take care. Thank you by.

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