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Episode 5 · 1 year ago

Why Johnny can't come home Episode 4: Lebensborn and MK-ULTRA

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In this episode we go down another rabbit hole and find ourselves in the twisted world of a Nazi program called Lebensborn. This was a truly evil program because it centered around kidnapping and brainwashing children. Rick thinks that the CIA was doing the same thing to support clandestine activities like MK-ULTRA and project Monarch. Seems like there are a lot of evil lunatics out there who want to make a Manchurian candidate or two. Could Johnny Gosch have been a victim of this program? Find out!


Okay, we are back in thebunker. That's right, DN is here in the flesh, in my ownpersonal abandoned beam of bunker, and we're drinking the truth serum and we're talkingmore about kidnappings and MK Ultra, all kinds of weird underground satanic stuff thatrelates to the Johnny Gosh case. I'm really glad to be back. Youhave done a lot of work on your bunkers since lockdown started and it's lookingreally good, looking a lot less abandoned. I think this is a super mutantand stuck a friend or we got to get back to the Johnny Ghoshthing and we're getting close to the end, promise. You know, I wentback and I was looking at what got me interested in this case andyou know, I first became aware of the whole Johnny Gosh kidnapping thing byreading the resistance manifesto by Mark Dice, and it is kind of a crazybook. Are you crazy? It's all about conspiracies, the new world orderin the Illuminati. But really got me into this was that there's this fascinatingchapter and it's all about project monarch, which was a successor of the CIA'snotorious MK Ultra and mark dice describes how, during World War II, SS officerHeinrich Himmler was in charge of a scientific program called Lateman's corn which theNazis were using selective breeding in the adoption of children to create an Aryan quotesuper race. It is the central theme of hugenics. Fewer children from theunfit, more from the fit, and in Hitler's Germany, the fittest ofall were men and women with blond hair, blue eyes and without a trace ofJewish blood. Under the program known as Leavensporn, adults with these traitswere encouraged to produce thousands of babies, and these kids would grow up tohave a total allegiance to the Nazi party, basically being brainwashed, hive mind kids, you know right. So Laban'sborn means font our fount of life inGerman, and the plan was this was state sponsored SS led. They wouldtake these kids and give them to ss families or other kind of quote unquote, Superior Race Families to raise them up in the Nazi way to be thefuture leaders of Germany. I mean, it was totally messed up, andthese unlucky children were considered to be the property of the state of Germany.The first to years of my life I was in there, raising orphanages orfoster homes for bread on farms that were run by the SS and they actuallyended up reading about eleven thoud of these children between nineteen thirty five and nineteenforty five, and they lived their entire lives, their entire life damn,without ever knowing who their real parents were. Well, what's even more troubling isthat when Germany started to expand beyond its borders and invade their neighbor states, that are and looking children, so blondhaired, blue eyed kids in neighboringcountries were actually kids napped off the streets and put into the Laban's born programand in fact, Nazi record show that an estimated two hundredzero pholeish children werekidnapped and brainwashed by these evil manias. That's two hundred thou and numbers insane. That's insane number like let that sink in. If you're doing something elsewhere, you're listenings program, just stop and think about two hundredzero kids stolenfrom off the streets and nobody knows what happened to them, but they werethere to be the mind slaves of the Nazi party. It's a small city. It's actually a medium sized city, right, I mean it. Andin the scheme of American city, this is a small city. That's acramthat's a lot of people. Yeah, it's an Acron of brainwashed the acronanazikids. Yeah. So, anyway, according to mark dice and others,the Labans born program would later become the inspiration for the CIA's project monarch,which was once part of the notorious MK...

Ultra Program. The idea behind allthis craziness was allegedly they were going to kidnapped she heads off the street ortake them out of foster homes or find them in places like boys town andOmaha, Nebraska, and use them in experiments or covert operations or to createa Manchurian candidate. MIC control research back home intensifies. The new goal isto cause an individual to become subservient to an imposed control to the point wherehe will perform acts against his will and then have no memory of the act. It sounds wild and hard to believe, in it is, and we reallydon't know that much about what was really going on, since almost everythingabout the program either remains classified or is totally unknown. When I saw thisin the show on us, I got so excited the when I got theconnection that mark dice made in that you made between Laban's born program and themysterious can happenings of kids and the states that started in the s through thehunted satanic panic and even today with the human trafficking. The whole time thatwe've been doing this series that keep saying what's why? Like I could evenbelieve that the highest echelons of our societies and government are involved in it,but only if they're involved for like real politic reason or like a rational reason, because they I don't believe that every president politician cares about child sex andwouldn't write. Unfortunately, be surprised if some did care. But if there'san actual plan behind it, and you know, maybe it's some crazy offshootresearch, you know facility and the CIA, that project that went off the railsor whatever, but if there's some planning behind it where they're trying tocreate like a soldier race of manturing candidates or something like that, and theyhave to use the sexual abuse in the Satanic Ritual Superin. Why them?That kind of gives this whole kind of like I keep on at the unifyingconspiracy theory. That finally clicked for me and I it blew my mind.I really got me excited when I came across this connection. You may weknow that some of it is true for effect. I mean we do haveOperation Paper Clip, which is pretty much declassify, where we got these evilNazi scientists and we started giving them the reins of our research and letting themkind of call the shot. So even though we beat the Nazis, wekind of incorporated the Nazis at the same time. I mean operation favorite clip, where we got a burner of oner on and yeah, all those people. That's we got to the moon thanks to Nazi scientists and we, Idon't think Nazi scientists. I don't like about the scientists for anything. Whatis the moon ever given us? Anyway? It's true. You know, ifwe've ever been to when we're talking about project monarch, even the nameitself carries a deep occult meaning it. And Remember, the Nazis were verymuch into the occult. One of the reasons that people point to this havinga cult connection so that it symbolize a butterflies transformation in the cocoon and ithas a reference to it that they could be control over person's soul. Eventhe Dolly Llama spoke about this symbol and to him it was a dark symbol. He suggested that the butterfly is a very cold symbol. It's devoid ofemotion and he used the example how a butterfly never meets its mother, ithas to fend for itself and it experiences very little kindness. According to theDali Lama, this could be a symbol of either a detached home life andthat someone growing up in this environment would find it very difficult to show compassionand empathy for others. So if anything that we know about project monarch istrue, then it's horrendousing, cruel and, like you were talking about the tortureaspect it involves. That involves hypnosis...

...and mine altering drugs and it calledrituals and the supposed end goal was to create a kind of brainwash mine slave. It's been widely discussed a victims of this type of trauma usually don't rememberthe whole process due to the mind's own protection mechanism. This kind of thingcan be seen in PTSD and explains how, after terrible accidents, you know,the victim just kind of wakes up in the hospital. He has noidea how he got there. The extreme trauma has been shown to cause thenervous system to actually shut down parts of the brain that deal with perception andconscious memory, and that could explain how I've Johnny Gosh is still actually alive. He might have been part of this preywashing parking and he might have beenbrainwatched to the point where he can't or he isn't willing to return to hisfamily. Some of these mind control techniques were described in detail in a olderNational Geographic episode about MK Gold Projects, a three part technique which started withan effort to wipe out past patterns of behavior, and this was accomplished throughthe use of particularly intensively repeated high level all that good shocks until no moreconvulsions could be a listener from a patient camera then plays tape recorded messages throughhelmets that are locked to his patients heads. This psychic driving forces them to listento repetitive statements for weeks on end to program in new behavior. Nowthe final phase was to try to wipe out all recollection of what had happened, and that was accomplished by putting people to sleep for thirty, forty days, accompanied by different kinds of cocktails of drugs. Now that's not any kindof therapy, that's a brainwashing experiment. You know, as I'm just sittingand thinking about this and in the lens of kind of faceless government agents justdoing this to experiment and making like the perfect race or whatever, are Ithink that it seems so crazy. But then you think, like you know, those Nazi scientists when they connect two hundredzero children, a lot of themare probably just kind of emotional, emotionless bureaugrapts, you know, like shejust doing their thing. Yeah, it was that. Is that that famousbook? I'm blinking. The woman's name is you're a finish book. WasSheet coining the phrase the banality of evil, and it's just that, like alot of what the Nazis did was actually boring bureaucracy and like that's thesame idea here. And like back in the S and s, the governmentwas reacting to things that would come out of Moscow using like microwave frequency andextremely little frequencies to like affect people, and they started blasting my craves onsailors in Philadelphia to see, like what would happen. Wow. So,like it's not that they elate for me to think that they would torture peopleand can have people to see what happened. In a way, this is areally weird thing to even be curious about, but maybe that's what wasgoing on. I don't know. I mean, if you if you thinkthat this is what the Moscow scientists are doing, because, remember, thisis all during the Cold War. Yeah, it that legitimizes a lot of crazythings, even crazy things. Let's get more into today's show. You'veheard the old edage that children should be seen in not her right. It'sa kind of damage and old relic. I mean there's some many you expectto find centuries ago when kids were forced to work and coal mines or onSpool wool in a mill and get their little fingers shopped off. I meanit's a leftover at archaic way of thinking. But yeah, it was exactly whatthe Omaha Police Department wanted from any child, especially child like Loretta Smiththat was suffering from the effects of sexual violence, and it even became theirofficial position on how to deal with any kid that dare to accute who's thewell connected Lawrence King, of rapes or satanic ritual abuse for kidnappings, allthe way up to murder. And you...

...remember from the last episode because wewere talking about Lauretta Smith and how she was allegedly abused in about every singleway that a person could be abused by this politician, Laurence King, andother people from the Omaha Girls Town. Loretta wind up being hospitalized suffering fromflashbacks, depression, PTSD, and she was admitted to the Richard Young BehavioralHealth Center and Kurney Nebraska. The reason that we're going to be talking aboutthis and why we started with talking about the MK Altra things, because Ithink we're on a trail here about what is happening and I think that allthe different types of abuse that Lauretta Smith went through and other kids like heractually plays a part in that. But while she was hospitalized she began toopen up and she told her therapist about incidents that are incredibly disturbing, childpornography and devil worshiping and in June of one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight, an officer from the Omaha Police Department named Carmen. Officer Carmen was broughtas interview Loretta. He came to her bedside and took her statement and,according to Aufuicer Carmen's report, Loretta explained to him how she had become involvedin pornography at the age of nine years old. But covered a lot ofthis in the last episode. If you haven't heard it, you should checkit out. By Johnny can't come home, episode three, the Franklin cover up. Well, it looks like there was a giant pedophile network operating outof Omaha, and the worst part was they were almost in plain sight.They were being protected by the police in the politicians. Loretta told officer CarmenAbout The Times that she'd visited Omaha Girls Club with her friends Nellie and KimberallyWebb, and you'd probably remember them from the last episode, and how theydid some quote modeling too, and that they would go on these, again, are quotes, field trips to professional studios where they would pose nude.She talked about how Larry King, or Lawrence King, is we're calling them, how he was both a participant and a supporter of all the satanic activitiesthat were going on. The more that officer Carmen spoke with Aretta, themore concerned he became for her safety and for the safety of all these otherchildren that were involved in this network. Loretta told officer Carmen about power meetings, meetings that would occur either at Lawrence Kings home or at abandoned buildings,and kids like her, kids from girls town and boys town, were takento these places and engage in something that was basically a satanic ritual. Theytalked about pentagrams being drawn on the floor, adult leaders and dark clothes with upsidedown crosses, lighting candles, doing incantations and asking the girls to killsomething that they loved, and told them that this would be a way thatthey would gain power. Even more disturbing, Loretta described the mutilation of animal,animal sacrifice all the way up to human babies being sacrificed, and thenthe girls would be forced to engage in the cannibalism of eating these dead children. It was horrifying and the worst part of all was that officer Carmen beganto see just how well connected Lawrence King was and how much protection he had. Officer Carmen Promised Loretta he would be back and he instructed her to tryto remember as much information as you could before he came back. That justdidn't protected back. The place he's singing the national and that's right now recognizedas large King Jr. Remember the Nebraska Aga, the names that come uplater. But like, how did he go from the the guy that wasasked to run a credit union to a rising political star to the Satanic Party? That's the presence. We don't the weirdest. We don't really know.But if we're following kind of our theory...

...that we have with MK Ultra,it plays into one the whole idea of like satanic rituals, and especially satanicritual abuse, are perfect if you want to split somebody's mind into multiple personalities, because they're horrifying and they make you kill things you love and also getmolested as a child and like everyone's like they're trying to induce PTSD. Yes, that is one of the goals of Mkultra and in fact, when youlook at it, what they were doing at first was taking adults and goingto mental institutions and in different places where people wouldn't really be missed. Andit is actually started in concentration camps. And you could break a person sohard and so badly that you would bring them back to the point where theywere an infant, and you can impress upon them anything you wanted. Andso to do the real MK Altra, if you really want to be insomeone's head and control their mind, you have to break them in every kindof way that you can think to break them. So if the satanic ritualsare perfect for that. It's so messed up, and the more you talkabout and explain you see again those roots and Laban's born, because here inthe state falling this theory, they have to go to the neglected people inthe orphanages and stuff like that. There they would just raid countries and takescoop them up. But like it's the same brute force tactics and say horrifyingthings like to break their brains and to induce PTSD so that you can likeform their brains to whatever you want. And I can't get over how evilthe Nazis, for I mean, six million people were killed in the Holocaustand most of them died in concentration camps. Where they had free reign to dowhatever evil experiment they wanted on them. But that still wasn't even enough forthem, right they had to go out and can a people. So, anyway, officer Carmen comes to the Hospital Interviews Loretta. He has enoughstuff to keep him busy investigating for a long while. However, the chiefof police quickly puts a stop to that. He comes into officer Carmen's office oneday and asked him if playing point blank, are you investigating Lawrence King? And Officer Carmen tells him he is, and he shuts it down. Infact, a couple days later he has officer Carmen reassigned to research andplanning role with the police force. So he's basically now about as far awayfrom any type of investigations he can possibly get. In fact, later on, when the whole Franklin Commission gets created and this thing starts to spin outof control, officer Carmen was called to testify and he said that even thoughhe was taken off the case, he still thought that the claims that Lorettawas making, the charges that she was alleging, were valid and that theyneeded to be investigated fully. About five days after officer Carmen made that statement, the chief of police actually try to have him declared insane and remove fromthe police force. So the entire time that Loretta was hospitalized she interacted withthe staff, in particular Dr k shilling. A Dr K shilling was a psychiatristand she happened to believe everything that Loretta was saying was truthful. Shecontacted the police on multiple occasions on the RRETTA's behalf and basically she was leftpuzzled why the police didn't not deem what this girl is saying is serious enough. Remember, she's making allegations in regards to everything from sexually abusing children tomurder and cannibalism, and the police department just seemed like they had no interestin following up. And one point, after officer Carmen did is one andonly interview with Loretta, Dr Shilling called back to the Omaha Police Department andtold them that Loretta is much more loose and now than she was when officerCarmen came to do the interview, that she's opening up and that she isable to communicate better and has much more detail in these allegations. However,she didn't get so much as a phone...

...call back. And DR K shillingwasn't the only employee of the Richard Young Hospital to be stonewalled by the policedepartment either. In fact, therapists, nurses other doctors were also contacting thepolice on behalf of Loretta. And you know what, the police didn't doanything. And this seems familiar if you've been following the Johnny goosh case,because when Johnny was kidnapped from nearby West den Moy Ande Iowa, the policedepartment, they are, refused to follow any leads. They were uncooperative,they didn't want help from any outside agency. They basically just wanted everyone to shutup and forget about it. And that's exactly what the Omaha Police Departmentwanted from not only Loretta, but from any type of professional, any typeof advocate for these kids. They wanted them to shut up and go away. Dr K shilling would later be called to testify and when the senators werequestioning her about the handling of this case by the police department, they askedher if the handling of by the Omaha police of farm would have any detrimentaleffects on Loretta, and she said absolutely, because what they were doing is basicallyreinforcing everything that child Predator or someone that abuses children tells them, thatthey have all the power, that no one's going to believe you and noone's going to do anything about it. That's the recurring theme in all thisis that all of a sudden enforcement doesn't remember how to investigate a case,they slam the door and things get silent. Well, Kids like Loretta were beingsilenced in their cases were going nowhere. Justice was being delayed or denied tothese children. Even though a lot of the adults, like the doctorsand nurses from the Richard Young Hospital, tried to help, they were unsuccessful. It really did kind of look like these pedophiles were going to be ableto get away with this, in definitely that they could do whatever they wantedand not have to worry. However, there is one tireless hero in thisstory and she makes a huge difference in the case. Her name is Carolstit and she is one of the directors for the Foster Care Review Board ofNebraska. Now, they basically oversee all the runaways and the kids that arein foster home or adopted and make sure that they're welfare is being looked after. Now. Carol stit but been receiving reports from her field off officers aboutsimilar allegations that Loretta was making. In fact they all go back to thesame guy, to Lawrence King, into the boys town and girls town inOmaha Nebraska. She couldn't understand why the police wouldn't investigate anything. And Iremember the Foster Care Review Board is not a law enforcement agency. They can'tarrest people, they can't open up investigations and they can't file charges. Forthat they need the police force and they were not getting any help from thelocal police department. So one of the things that Carol stood did was shewent to the governor and had a meeting with him and the governor told herto do whatever was in her power to create some kind of commission to lookinto this. But that turned out to be just kind of a sham becausehe set her up at the attorney general and they didn't do anything. Theytook all her files and had said in a drawer for about six months tillshe went back to the governor. Growing in patient, she demands another meetingwith the governor and one a schedule, but it is canceled on the dayof the appointment, and then another meeting is scheduled and then that is canceled. And then finally somebody, some political lackey from the governor's office, FinallyCalls Carolston and tells that the governor is no longer willing to meet with her. She kept getting kind of pushed around and meetings canceled and delayed and itlooked like it was going nowhere. She met again with the Attorney General.He agreed to let her have an investigator, as long as he only work parttime. However, then investigator was garbage to we didn't investigate anything backhe was obsessed with whether or not Lawrence King's wife was a US citizen,which was not a question that anyone was worried about. They were trying tosave these kids. If we're getting the...

...investgator, I do want to sayAy, you do the job of calling out that there are people that areheroes or at the very least just doing their jobs seriously, and she's wantinglike you think this. Carol'STD has seen her head, seen at that timehundreds of thousands of cases. She knows what's Bs and what's not and she'strying this hard to push this one, even as she's getting all the yourcredit pushback. It tells you something about the credibility of, you know,at least some of the allegations. There's they got serious people concerned. Yeah, I mean it is shocking how high his goes. You know, asLauretta's in the hospital and she's making her allegations, her life becomes endangered andshe starts to receive a whole bunch of death threats. Now Carol Stitt,who's been steadfast as whole thing, she's concerned for Loretta's well being, soshe goes to the Douglas County District Attorney's Office and Files to get protection orderfor her. Now, Douglas County is the county that almaha is in.So she, Carol stood, files for this protection order and when she getsher copy she's looking it over and she's shocked to see that in the narrativeit's talking about how Lauretta Smith has been on the street for weeks and howshe suicidal. Now both of those things are not true. This girl's inthe hospital and she's not suicidal. So that's how they do it. That'slike a pro they're tying up loose ends. If they have to have this girlsuicide herself or murder her or whatever. You know, they already got apaper trail. Plus, they would disqualify her in any type of futurecourt proceedings if they listed her as being that, you know, emotionally disturbed, that she was a suicide risk. No, it's really smart. Andyou know at that time who you're going to believe, the suicidal streetwalking LauraSmith, based on the false report, or Laurence King, the well respectedmember of society that sang the mass yeah, Lampem shakes hands with the president.And so that's the way things kept going. And look like the badguys are winning and they sure seem to be untouchable. And then this happened. On Friday November four one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight, just fourdays before Xcia director scull and bones, member the Hem and Grove, GeorgeHw Bush, was elected president of the United States, agents from the FBI, the Irus and the National Credit Union administration swoop down on the Franklin CommunityFederal Credit Union and shut their doors. Oh, so they finally decided totake the allegations of sex abuse and child murder. Seriously, no, butlet a couple million dollars go missing and all hell's about to break loose.Ex Sense. Senator Schmidt even called for a legislative probe. On the secondmeeting of a special hearing and the Legislative Executive Board, another senator, thisguy called Chambers, made a dramatic announcement about the probe. The investigation wouldnot only be covering financial wrongdoing, he said, but also the physical andsexual abuse of children by persons connected with the Franklin Federal Credit Union. CarolStitt showed up and some of her colleagues also want with her and they presentedthe files they had on the web foster home and the Lauretta Smith files.Credit to Senator Chambers. That's at least another person here trying to at leastget to the bottom of these allegations, and credit to Carol Stitt for nevergiving up, even though she was shunned and shut out by the Attorney General, by the Governor and by anybody else that would be considered her boss.She kept with it and she wanted to make sure that justice was done forthese kids. She brought Dennis Carlson, one of her employees from the FosterCare Review Board, and he told the committee that the allegations that they're aboutto hear are something that would shock the committee that they're going to deal withcalled activities in the sacrifice of small children. Okay, let's do a little bitof theater. I'm not saying it's...

...going to be good, but Danand I are going to read the transcripts and we're going to take turns,me in the different people involve. So Dan is going to start reading asSenator Remmer. The question that came into mind. It's been in my mindsince you've been testifying and I think you've answered part of it just now,as you're talking about these abuses from children from boys town and Girls Club andso forth. Now, is their common thread that goes over here to thecredit union deal that we're investigating, in other words to the Franklin Credit Union? Is there a common thread there that kind of leads to that? NowI'm going to read as Carol stick and I'm not going to make a femalevoice, so don't expect that. Well, the common thread is Larry King,senator memors. Yes, that's what I mean it all goes back tohim. Okay, it's around this time that the Senate decided to create theFranklin Committee and hired private investigator Gary Karadori, a former state patrolment Kara door isthe only decent law man in this whole saga. He finds an interviewsvictims and gathers detailed allegations of sexual abuse, drug usage, pornography and other crimesby prominent Omaha citizens and maybe even found out what happened to Johnny Gosh. It just a real quick done in Gary Caridori, when I was researchinghim, like he has a pass as a law ENFORCET MON officer. He'sbeen an investigator for a long time. He was of the quality of personthat a state legislative investigation committee would hire him. So he's not some cook. There's no Slouch, definitely not. One of the girls that interviewed issomeone named Alicia Owens, and we're not I don't want to get into acase too much, not trying to get bogged down into this. This wholething is really about Johnny Gosh, but I just want to tell you alittle bit about her to kind of frame how deep the Krupt and why shewas initially hesitant to discuss her past. But she does claim that she metLarry King when she was fourteen through some kids from boys town and that shewas raped by Larry King and the Omaha Chief of police, remember the guythat was covering up all the investigations and given his seal of approval to pornographersand everything. She claims that the chief of police raped her with his gun, which is really messed up. She went on about the chief and nowhe was mostly into the little boys, that she would see him fondly littleboys on his lap. She described being photographed naked by rusty Nelson. Thatwas the photographer that the chief of police like so much. She mentioned underagesex parties with the superintendent. He comes up a lot of times. He'sa superintendent of the school that these kids all go too. So these poorkids have the chief of police, high politically connected Larry King and their ownsuperintendent. And she basically confirmed all the leads that the foster carry V boardhad. Yeah, so what Carol Staid and her people were finding was actuallybeing verified by another kid that they didn't even identify or ever talked to.So that definitely adds credibility to this. And Alicia said she took numerous planetrips at the direction of Lawrence King for sexual purposes, and these trips includedflights to Los Angeles, Kansas City, Pasadena, California, and on theseflights there were other kids. This kind of reminds me of the whole Epsteinthing with the Lowlita Express and everything. Alicia also described going to Larry King'shouse and seeing pentagrams drawn on the kitchen floor, which is not weird atall, and she described seeing satanic pictures on the wall. For all hertrouble, she was rewarded with being placed on trial for perjury. And atthe same time her trial was going on, her younger brother was arrested for joyriding in a stolen car and he was found in his jail cell.He had the shit beat out of him and apparently hung himself in his cell. So that's what you get for speaking out against Larry King. Definitely sendsa message, sure does so. Anyway, the point of this whole thing wasthat this guy, Gary Kadori finds...

...a lot of victims like Alicia,victims that were molested by Laurence King that were molested by the chief of police, that were covered up in silence, and this all points the fact thatthere is this ring of kidnappers and child exploitation people that are operating nearby whereJohnny Gosh disappeared, that their professionals, that they got I mean, theyprove to you that they can get away with it, that they could doit, that they didn't even need to hide it. So if you're wonderingwhat happened to Johnny Gosh, this would be a good place to look.Gary carrodor interviewed a ton of people like this. He had a lot ofdamning evidence and actually, on July ten one thousand nine hundred and ninety,Gary Karrodori called his boss. He was working for the Senate committee, sohe called Senator Lauren Schmidt and he formed them that he now had the subjectsof their investigation. By the quote short hitters, the next morning, ofcourse, he was dead. He died in a small plane crash. Butthat wasn't the only suspicious thing that happened to him. Right, right,well, all leading up to this time, Gary carried y was telling people thathis car was being messed with. I think he saw people outside hishome. This is all documented in the conspiracy of silence documentary with they interviewpeople, including Lauren Schmidt, and people close to it. And so atthis time Gary actually fled with his son, I believe, to see the Allstargame from Major League Baseball. And while he was out of town,because he was an amateur pilot or you know, he would flies on plane, and while he was there, I you know, he took a littleside trip and he had gathered the information. He even told Lauren Schmidt that hehad a book with names and addresses that could tie all these suspects tothe whole conspiracy. And he even told him, he said, I gotone step ahead of them. Finally, if they find out I'm dead.Wow. So, you know, I read to that like he started drivingin different car because of the other card been tampered with. We talked abouthis home being broken into. There was somebody, people that could reach outand touch him, were reaching out and messing with him. Yeah, he'sdefinitely being harassed and followed, at least according to him. And then onJuly eleven, one thousand nine hundred and ninety between to forty am and twohundred and fifty seven. I am in North Central Illinois. His plane crashed. Now there was eyewitnesses to a farming reported that he saw a flash oflight hurt, an explosion and saw the plane plunge to the ground. Andthis is from John and Caun's book the Franklin cover up. The eyewitness accountof the flash of lightning explosion was on the early edition the news in Nebraskabut then was pulled and never seen again. The FAA basically said we're not surewhat happened. They never investigated it and years later there's a freedom ofInformation Act asking about this and I think the local law enforcement said he flewto thunderstorms for some reason. FSS, which I think is flight safety something, never told him that there's no other storms there. So well, Iknow that they're able to recover the black box. They're able to recover mostof his personal effects. The only thing they couldn't find was his briefcase andany of the evidence that he had with him. So that's not suspicious inany way at all, is it no very cool? Well, before hedied, and this is where we're right on top of the Johnny Cosh case. Now, he uncovered a man named Paul Binash. This guy had beenpicked up for male prostitution. He was a male hooker. At first itjust seemed to be another ordinary sex crime kind of arrest, but upon beinginterviewed by the police Paul Benas he started making wild accusations and he claimed thathe've been part of a sex ring since he was a boy and that thesect ring was connected to other prostitution groups throughout the US, including, andthis is the scary part, one and washing in DC that even furnace childmale prostitute. So boy prostitutes to the White House. The more the policespoke with him, the more interesting story became because, according to Bonashi,as he got older he lost his usefulness...

...as a child prostitute and enforced byhis handlers into kidnapping replacements. Paul Binashi says that these replacements included a youngJohnny Gosh. Paul Banashi was debrief by a man named Ray Stevens. He'san interesting guy. He spent a lot of time debriefing Paul Binashi, butbefore that he had a passed with kind of being connected with the Mafia andhe had gone straight after being a safecracker for organized crime. He turned hisskills and his connections into good and he ended up rescuing fifty children that wereloss of the police had given up on and couldn't find. You know thathe brought them back home and solved their cases. So he had some kindof connections in the underworld and he was able to get kids back. andthe parents of Johnny Gosh Hired Roy Stevens after Gary Karadori died. And sothis guy, Roy Stevens, goes to the prison where Bonashi is being held, when he starts to interview him and he even falls up on the placesin the tips that Paul Binashi gives him. And he said that, and allthe time they spend questioning Paul Binashi and falling up on his leads,that he had never once told him anything. That didn't turn out to be ahundred percent true. But now she described to Stevens the kidnapping of JohnnyGosh as an eyewitness. Well, we got up at before the sun gotup. He Amelio, said he wanted to go out because he said thathe had been around here before and stuff, and he said that paper boys begoing out pretty soon. He said he might be able to that thatwould be the best bet. He wanted them because he said they were easierin mornings because that there was no one to else around. Everyone else isasleep. First Stevens, okay, so it's just you, Mike and Emelioand you were in his blue car, the Blue Chevy. Okay, thenwhat happened? Oh, then he well, at first he had us, theythey had mike was in the back seat and he was kind of coveredup with a blanket. Me, I was stuck in the trunk because Ihad something in meally hit me a cup. I had said something. Amelia hitme a couple of times. First Stevens, what did you say?Call him a dirty bastard because of the way he treated Mike all night whenwe was in the hotel and stuff. He bought some other guy and madeMike have sex with that guy. I didn't think that was right. FirstStevens, okay, so you're in the trunk and Mike is on the flooror on the back seat, covered with a blanket. Then what happened?And then I heard them talking to somebody else at the car, but Idon't know who it was because we stopped. He was talking to somebody asking fordirections, asking where some place was, and it sound like there was morethan one kid. It sounds like there's a couple in there. Andthen we went around the block and he let me out of the trunk andtold Mike to he says, if you don't do what I say, I'mgoing to shoot you. He is a gun. He pulled out and pointedat me and says you do what I say or I'll shoot you. Wedrove around. So you're out of the trunk now. Yeah, I wassit in the back seat with Mike. They're both sitting there. Were youhit in the back seat? Are you just sitting up normal, downlow,kind of sitting on the floor? And then Emilia, I guess. Idon't know what he did, but he might told me. He says whenthe car slows down, he says, when you feel the break shirt,he says I'll grab them. You just hold him down. And so ithappened quick it's like we went up. I felt the break shirt, Isaw the door fly open, I saw Mike jump out and next day Iknow there was somebody. You know, he grabbed the boy and he's throwinga man in my job you know we were supposed to do is just holdingdown and gag his mouth so he couldn't yell or nothing, and then,after we had just like two seconds, just spun off, tore off gotout of there. Now this bit of testimony is incredible because this is prettymuch exactly what the attorney, neighbor that showed up after Johnny Gosh is kidnapping, and what some of the paper boys, when they were questioned, recalled.This was the blue car, the Blue Ford fairmount, going around askingweird questions for directions. When the attorney came out to speak to them,the car tore off like a bad out of hell. This lines up andthe amazing thing, and Gary Karra Dory pointed this out, was that butnash she couldn't have known this stuff because a lot of the stuff wasn't availableto the media. But he had precise...

...information exactly what happened when Johnny Goshwas kidnapped. It's like that Classic Police Show Troupe where they leave something outof the media report so they can find I who's done the truth or not. There's no way Paul Binaci should have known half this stuff. No,he could have known and then when he later goes on to describe birth marksand things like that on Johnny Gosh's body, that's another thing that wasn't available tothe media that he knew. So you have to give Paul binash shea ton of credibility as far as this goes. All Right, Dan,I think that this makes a lot of sense because when we discussed the kidnappingof Johnny Gosh, we said that there was a driver, the suspected driver, was in a blue forward fair amount and he flashed his dome like acouple times and a guy walked out from between two houses and started falling JohnnyGosh. That is exactly what Paul Binashi is describing, whether he even understandsthe full in locations are not like that. Is Super Credible. His testimony linesup with one of the things that we said it SIS's is apart froma standard kidnapping, is that most kennappings aren't a conspiracy of involving multiple people. The most aren't well organized like this and planned out between the number ofadults. So everything he said lines up with the original testimony of that lawyerwho happened to be there the day of the kidnapping, but I see alsodescribed a network of safe house is that the kidnappers used and this is wherethe pedophile ring stored the children that they stole before they sold them, andthat's right, sold them. He said that he met Johnny Goosh again severalyears later and then he provided again a detailed description of the farm on whichJohnny Gosh was being Captain Colorado and that Gosh's new, we use quotations parents, was a homosexual man and a lesbian in the S, which is anodd coupling. You really think about that, because that's basically are they straight gayman and Lesbian woman raising a child? It's super weird. I don't know. But Gosh, according to Banashi, once attempted to run away and PaulBinashi said that they branded Gosh on his butt and that they use thesame brand on horses and cows on their farm. So used like their ranchmark or whatever. Yeah, sounds terrible. I hope that's not true. Well, it says Binashi drew a picture of it for I steven's of thatbrand. So theoretically, if he could get a look at Jeff Ginnon's,but you might know if they was really Johnny Gosh and I don't want todelve into this, but you know Jeff Cannon was a pornographic actor. Idon't know if there's any butt shots in there or not. Google it.I don't want to. I'll do a lot for this podcast, but andhave my limits. So there was a guy called Emilio, and this partis really disturbing because he's part of a highly organized national and even International KidnappingRing. And Stevens is talking to Banashi again and Steven's ass put me whatdid Amelio tell you? He did, for we're living, kidnap kids andtook them to Las Vegas. Kind of kids, any kidded he could get, doesn't matter if they're male or female. And no, he cannap boys orgirls. Main think he cannaps boys, though, because he said he couldget more money from Emilia used to tell me all kinds of things,like how they could get away with knapping kids and sell them out the country. He said mostly kids were sold in Las Vegas. That are ranch hetook me to one time for an auction. I went with him to Toronto severaltimes, where boys were sold. I saw a few girls once ina while, he said virgins could bring as much as Fiftyzero. They calledthe boys toys. Use Toys brought him more money, but not as much. Most boys were sold out of America because it's harder to find them.The men who bought these boy toys had planes and they could transport them easily. But Na she ran into Emilio again in March of one thousand nine hundredand eighty six, near Buena Vista,...

Colorado. On the second occasion hesaw Johnny Gosh. Despite this astonishing new information from Paul Banashi on the GoshKidnapping, the West Den Moini Police Department of course had not interviewed Banashi andalso had no plans to, because, according to the chief of police,we are aware what's going on in the charge of the Gosh investigation. We'renot going to reinvent the wheel. This has been investigating Nebraska. When thingsneed investigating here, they will be investigated. A fact is something unchanging and couldbe verified. Opinion, on the other hand, is subjective and aperson's point of view. History contains not only facts but opinions to fill inthe gaps, and it's these interpretations that feed urban legends. My name isBrenda and I'm the host of horrifying history, where you will hear about the unexplained, paranormal and supernatural happenings that is stained the pages of history. Joinus to hear these tales and you can make up your own minds about whatreally happened in history. You can find us on any major podcast provider andon facebook, instagram or twitter to join our conversation. And that's we're goingto leave it. The next episode we're going to be talking about some otherweird stuff that was going on at the same time that involves this more specifically, Michael are really Oh and the Satanic Temple of set who is probably influencinglaurence king, and they got some crazy stuff going on to and then we'regetting near the end of this Johnny Gosh Saga. We still have to talkabout more, a guess, about MK Ultra, satanism and everything like that, but it's been a long, drawn out process and it's kind of drainingdealing with this dark topic, but we signed up for it, I guess, and we started it, so we're going to finish it. Thanks forlistening and make sure that you subscribe if you're watching a youtube, click thenotification bell and everybody take care. Thank you by.

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