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Episode 5 · 1 year ago

Why Johnny can't come home Episode 4: Lebensborn and MK-ULTRA

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In this episode we go down another rabbit hole and find ourselves in the twisted world of a Nazi program called Lebensborn. This was a truly evil program because it centered around kidnapping and brainwashing children. Rick thinks that the CIA was doing the same thing to support clandestine activities like MK-ULTRA and project Monarch. Seems like there are a lot of evil lunatics out there who want to make a Manchurian candidate or two. Could Johnny Gosch have been a victim of this program? Find out!


Kay, we are back in the bunker. That'sright! Dan is here in the flesh in my own personal abandot, Bema bunker andwe're drinking the truth, terum and we're talking more about kidnappingsand NK Ultura, all kinds of weird underground, satanic stuff thatreleases to the Johnny Gosh case. I'm really glad to be back. You have done alot of work on your bunker since lockdown started, it's looking reallygood. Looking a lot less abandoned, I think this is a supermuten or we gotto get back to the Johnny GoshThinkn we're getting close to the end, the promise you know I went back and Iwas looking at what got me interested in this case, and you know I firstbecame aware of the whole Johnny Gosh Kadnapping thing by reading theresistance manifesto by Mark Deyson, it is kind of a crazy bok. Are you crazy?It's all about conspiracies the new world order in the Illuminati. Whatreally got me into this was that there's this fascinating chapter andit's all about project monarch, which was a successor of the CIAs notoriousMK Altra and Mark Dic, describes how, during worlward to SS officer HynricHimler was in charge of a scientific program called Lamansporn, which theNazis were using selective breeding in the adoption of children to create aAryinquote superrace. It is the central Thame of eugetics fewer children fromthe unfifth or from the CIT and in hithers Germany. The fittest of allwere men and women with blonde hair blue eyes and without a trace of Jewishblood. Under the program known as leaving Por adolts with these truitswere encouraged to produce thousands of Bates, and these kids would grow up tohave total allegiance to the Nasi Party. Basically, being brainwashed hive, mindkids, you know Briat, so lavensborn means Fon of ourcount of life in German. The plan was this: was state sponsoredSS led they would take these kids and give them to ss families or other kindof quote, Unquote Superior Race Families to raise them up in the Naziway to be the future leaders of Germany, I mean it was totally messed up, andthese unlucky children were considered to be the property of the state ofGermany, Irst Tis of my life. I was Anoi they're, raising orphintages orfoster homes for bread on farms that were run by the assess, and theyactually ended up reading about eleven thousand of these children, betweenethouand, nine hundred andthirty, five one thousand ninehundred and forty fiveand they live their entire lives, their entire lives, damn withhout everknowing who their real parents were. It's even more troubling is that whenGermany started to expand beyond its borders and invade their neighborstates that Arian looking children, so blondhaired blue eyed, kids inneighboring countries were actually kidnapped off the streets and put into the Laben's born programin infact. Nazi record show that it estimated two hundred thousand holschildren for kidnnapped and Brainwashd by these evil. Manias. That's twohundred thousand. That number is insant. That's insane number like let that sinkin if you're doing something else where your listens program, just stop andthink about two hundred thousand kids stolen from off the streets, and nobodyknows what happened to them, but they were there to be the mind slaves of theNazi party. It's a small city, it's actually a medium size city right I mean it inThi. In the scheme of American city, thiss is call city, Thats Rom. That's alot of people yeahir's an acrant of framewash, an Aconanon to kit e. So anyway, according to mark dice andothers, the labensborn program would later become the inspiration for theCIA's project monarch, which was one part of the notorious MK Ultro Pogram.

The idea behind all this craziness wasallegedly they were going to kidnap chids off the street or take them outof foster homes or find them in places like Boystown and Omaha Nebraska anduse them in experiments or covert operations or decreatee Manturiancandidate Mi control, research back home intensifies. The new goal is to cause an individualto become subservient to an imposed control to the point where he willperform acts against his will and then have no memory of the act. It soundswild and hard to believe in. It is, and we really don't know that much aboutwhat was really going on, since almost everything about the program eitherremains classified or is totally unknown. When I saw this in the show anI was, I gut so excited that when I got the connection that Mark Ise made inthat you made between the Lavens born program and the mysterious cannappingsof kids and the states that started in the s through the heigded, statanicpanic and even today, with the Heman trafficking the whole time that we'vebeen doing this series. I keep saying what's why, like I, I can even believe that the highesteshelons of our societies and government are involved in it, but onlyif they're involved for like a real politic reason or like arational reason because Ay. I don't believe that every president politiciancares about child sex and wouldn't right, unfortunately, be surprised ifsome did care, but if there's an natural plan behind it- and you know-maybe it's some crazy offshoot research- he you know facility and the CIA, thata project that went off the rails or whatever, but if there's some planningbehind it, where they're trying to create like a a soldier rate ofmanturing candidates or something like that and they have to use the sexualabuse and the sitanic ritual Supren wach them. That kind of gives thiswhole kind of, like I keep oing to the unifying conspiracy theory that finally clicked for me and like itblew my mind, it really got Mae ecited. When I came across this connection, youmay we know that some of it is true. For effect, I mean we do have operationpaper clip which is pretty much Declassifi, where we got these evilManzi scientist and we started giving them the reins of our research andletting them kind of call the shot. So, even though we beat the Nazis, we kindof incorporated the Nanzis o the same time. I mean Operation Paper, clipwhere we got a Berner voger on and all those people. That's we got to the moonthanks to Nazi scientists and we go. I don't think Nazi scientists, I don't think bout te scientist foranything. What is the moon ever given US anyway? It's true, you know if we've ever beento the mid when we're talking about projectmonarch, even the name itself carries a deep accult, meaning it and remember.The nazies were very much into the call one of the reasons that people point tothis having o call connection so that it symbolized a Butterfli'stransformation in the CACOON, and it has a reference to it that there couldbe control over a person's soul. Even the Dalilama spoke about this symboland to him it was a dark symbol. He suggested that the butterfly is a verycold symbol. It's devoid of emotion en to use the example how a butterflynever meets its mother, it has to fend for iuself and it experiences verylittle kindness. According to the dollay Lama, this could be a symbol ofeither a detached home life and that someone growing up in this environmentwould find it very difficult to show compassion and empathy for otherr. So,if anything that we know about project monarch is true, then it's horrendousand cruel and, like you were talking about the torture aspect it involvesthat involves hypnosis and mine,...

...altering drugs and te call rituals, andthe supposed Endgol was to create a kind of brainwash mineslave. It's beenwidely discussed that victims of this type of trauma, usually don't rememberthe whole process due to the mind's own protection mechanism. This kind ofthing can be seen in PTSD and explains how, after terrible accidents, you knowthe victim just kind of wakes up in the hospital. He has no idea how he gotthere. H, extreme trauma has been shown to cause the nervous system to actuallyshut down parts of the brain that deal with perception and conscious memory,and that could explain how if Johnny Gosh is still actually alive, he mighthave been part of this prayg washing park in he might have been brainwatchedto the point where he can't or he isn't willing to return to his family. Someof these mind, controlled techniques were described in detail in a olderNational Teographi episode about Mk, Altn Rojecta. Three part techniquewhich started with an effort to wipe out past patterns an behavior, and thiswas accomplished through the is a particularly intensie repeated,highlevel electo shocks until no more convulsions could be alistened from apatient Cameron. Then plays tape recordedmessages through helmets that are locked to his patient's heads. This psychic driving forces them tolisten to repetitive statements for weeks on end to program in new behavior. The final phase was to try to wipe outall recollection of what had happened, and that was accomplished by puttingpeople to sleep for thirty forty days, accompanied by different kinds ofcocktails of drugs. Not that's not any kind of therapy,that's a brain, washing exapermen! You know, as I'm just sitting Ithinking about this in the lens of kind of faceless government agents just doing this to experiente them, making like theperfect race or whatever orthink that it seems so crazy. But then you think,like you know those Nanso scientists whenthey connect two hundred thousand children. A lot of them are probablyjust kind of emotional emotionaless bureaucraths. You know like just doingtheiver thing. Yeah. Is that there's that that famous book I play them, tthe woman's name, a sure, feice book, where she coined Te Phrase, theBenality of evil and she's- that, like a lot of what the Nazis did, wasactually boring. DUREAUCRACY and I e that's the same idea here in like back.In the S and s, the government was reacting to things that that come outon Moscow using like microwate frequency and extremin a littlefrequencies to affect people, and they just start blasting micaves on sailorsin Philadelphia to see like what would happen. Wow so like it's, not that bigOleate for me to think that they would torture people and can et people to seewhat happened in a way, just a really weird thing to even be curious about,but maybe that's whatin on. I don't know I mean if you, if you think thatthis is what the Moscow scientist are doing becauseremember this is aldering the Cold War, yeah t thatlegitimizes a lot of crazythings. E then crazy things. Let's get moreinto today's show you've heard the old adages that children should be seen andnot hurt right, it's a kind of damaging old brelic. I mean it's so many yexpect to fine centuries ago we kids were forced to work and coal mines orUnspool wooll in a mill and get their little finger. Shopped off I mean it'sa leftover in archaic way of thinking, but yeah at was exactly what the OmaPolice Department wanted from any child, especially child, like Loretta Smith,that was suffering from the effects of sexual violence, and it even becametheir official position on how to deal with any kid that dared to accuse thewell connected Lawrence. King of rapes or satanic ritual abuse for kidnappings,Al the way up to murder- and you...

...remember from the last episode- becausewe were talking about Loretta Smith and how she was allegedly abused in aboutevery single way that a person could be abused by this politician Lawrence Kingand other people from the Omaha Girls Town. The redo wound up beinghospitalized suffering from flashbags pression FTSD, and she was admitted tothe Richard Young behavirial health center and Curni Nebraska. The reason that we're going to betalking about this and why we started with talking about the MK ultr thing.It's because I think we're on a trail here about what is happening, and Ithink that all the different types of abuse that Laura Smith went through andother kids like her actually plays a part of that. But while she washospitalized, she began to open up and she told her therapist about incidentsthat are incredibly disturbing, tow pornography and devil worshipping, andin June one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight, an officer from the OmahaPolice Department, name, Karmet Officer Carman, was brought as interview Lareta.He came to her bedside and took her statement and, according to AuviserKarman's report, the ree explained to him how she had become involved inPonography at the age of nine years old I'ecovered. A lot of this in the lastepisode. If you haven't heard it, you should check it out why Johnny can'tcome home episode. Three. The Franklin cover out. Well, it looks like there was a giantpedophile network operating out of Pomaha and the worst part was. Theywere almost in playing sight. They were being protected by the policeand the politicians. Loretta told officer Carman about the Times thatshe'd visited the Omaha Girls Club with her friends, Nelli and Kimberley Webband you'd, probably remember them from the last episode and how they did somequote modelly into and that they would go on these again. Air quotes fieldtrips to professional studios where they would pose new she's talked abouthow Larry, King or Lawrence King as were calling him how he was both aparticipant and a supporter of all this sitanic activities that were going on the more that officer. Common spokewith Alreda the more concern he became for her safety and for the safety ofall these other children that were involved in this network. Loretta toldofficer Karment about power meetings, meatings that would occur either atLawrence King's home or it abandoned buildings and kids like her kids fromgirls, town and Boystown, we're taken to these places and Engagein, somethingthat was basically a satanic rirtual. They talk about Pentagrams, being drawn on the floor.Adult leaders in dark clothes with upsidedown crosses lighting candles, doing incantations and asking the girlsto kill something that they loved and told them that this would be a way thatthey would gain power. Even more disturbing Loretta described themutilation of animals, animal sacrifice all the way up to human babies being sacrificed, and then the girls would be forced to engage inthe cannibalism of eating these dead children. It was horrifying and theworst part of all was that officer. Carman began to see just how wellconnected Lawrence King was and how much protection he had officer Carman Promised Loretta. Hewould be back and he instarted her to try to remember as much information asshe could before he came back. I just Nede think about place. Hes singingashlanthat's right, recognize, larence King Juor remember NEBRASA delegation due thcmltbut, like how did HEU go from the guy. That was asked to run a credit,your hand to a rising poltitical star to the sacanic parten. That's the pretence. We don't the weirdest, we don't reallyknow, but if we're falling kind of our...

...theory that we have with MK Altra itplays into one. The whole idea of like satanic rituals and especially satanicritual aviewse are perfect if you want to split somebody's mind into multiplepersonalities because they're horrifying and they make you killthings, you love and also get molested as a child and like everyony's likethey're, trying to induce PTSD. Yes, that is one of the goals of MK Alterand in fact, when you look at it, what they were doing at first was takingadults and going to mental institutions and in different places where peoplewouldn't really be missed, and this actually started in concentration camps,and you could break a person so hard and so badly that you would bring themback to the point where they were an infant and you could impress upon themanything you wanted and so to do the real MK Alter. If you really want to bein someone's head and control their mind, you have to break them in everykind of way that you can think to break them. So if the satanic rituals areperfect for that, it's so much stuff and the more you talk about and explainthat you see again those roots and Lavens born because here in the state fallowing this theory,they have to go to the neglected people in the orphanages and stuff like thatthere they would just raide countries and take coo them up but, like it'ssaid, saing brute force, tactics and say horifying things like to breaktheir brains, NTO ndoe PTSD, so that you can like form the brains towhatever you want, and I can't get over how evil Anazi. For I mean six millionpeople were killed in the Holocaust, and most of them died in concentrationcamps where they had free rain to do whatever evil experiment they wanted onthem, but that still wasn't eenough for that right. They had to go out IT CADNAP people. So anyway, officer Karman comes to theHospital Interviews Loretta. He has enough stuff to keep him busyinvestigating for a long. While, however, the chief of police quicklyputs a stop to that. He comes into officer Carman's office, one day andaskd him. If PLA point blank, are you investigating Lawrence, King andofficer? Carman tells him he is and he shuts it down. In fact, a couple dayslater he has officer Carman reassigned to research and planning roll with thepolice force, so he's basically now about as far away from any type ofinvestigations you can possibly get in fact later on when the whole FranklinCommission gets created, and this thing starts, a spanautic control officer,Carman was called to testify and he said that, even though he was takingoff the case, he still thought that the claims that Loretta was making thecharges that she was a leging were valid and that they needed to beinvestigated fully about five days after officer Carman made thatstatement, the chief of police actually tried to have him, declared insane andremoved from the police force, so the entire time that Loretto washospitalized. She interacted with a staff, in particular Dr K, shilling aDor K, shilling was a psychiatrist and she happened to believe everything thatLoretta was saying was truthful. She contacted the police on multipleoccasions on the ruddis behalf and basically she was left puzzled why thepolice did not deem what this girl was saying is serious enough. Remember,she's, making allegations in regards to everything from sexually abusingchildren to murder and cannibalism, and the police department just seemed likethey had no interest in following up and one point after officer. Karman didis one and only interview with Loretta, Dr Shilling called back to the OmahanPolice Department and told them that Oretta is much more lucid now than shewas when officer Carman came to do the interview that she's opening up andthat she is able to communicate better and has much more detail in theseallegations. However, she didn't get so...

...much as a phone call back and DR Ksheling wasn't the only employee of the Richard Young Hospital to be stoneballed by the police department, either in fact, therapist nurses. Otherdoctors were also contacting the police on behalf of Loretta, and you know whatthe police didn't do anything, and this seems familiar if you've been followingthe Johnny Gosh case, because when Johnny was kadnapped from nearby WestDenmooy and Iowa the police department, there refuse to follow any leads. Theywere uncooperative. They didn't want help from any outside agency. Theybasically just wanted everyone to shut up and forget about it and that'sexactly what the Amaha Police Department wanted from not only Loredabut from any type of professional, any type of advocate for these kids. Theywanted them to shut up and go away. Dr K, shilling would later be called totestify and when the senators were questioning her about the handling ofthis case by the police department, they asked her if the handling of bythe Omahan police aparm would have any detrimental effects on Loretta and shesaid absolutely because what they were doing is basically reinforcingeverything that a child, Predator or someone that abuses children tells themthat they have all the power that no one's going to believe you and no one'sgoing to do anything about it. That's the recurring Tham in all thisis that all of a sudden enforcement doesn't remember how to investigate akate. They slam the door and things get silent. Well, kids, like Loretta were beingsilenced and their cases were going nowhere. Justice was being delayed ordenied to these children, even though a lot of the adults likethe doctors and nurses from the Richard Young Hospital tried to help, they wereunsuccessful. It really did kind of look like these. pedophiles were goingto be able to get away with this indefinitely that they could dowhatever they wanted and not have to worry. However, there is one tirelesshero in this story and she makes a huge difference in t e case. Her name isCarrol Stitt and she is one of the directors for the Foster Care ReviewBoard of Nebraska. Now they basically oversee all the runaways and the kidsthat are in foster home or adopted, and make sure that their welfare is beinglooked after. A carrol stit had been receivingreports from her field officers about similar allegations that Loretta wasmaking. In fact they all go back to the same guy to Lawrence King into theBoystown and Girlstown in Omaha Nebraska. She couldn't understand why the policewould it investigate anything, and I remember the foster care. reviewboardis not a law enforcement agency, they can arrest people, they can't open upinvestigations and they can't file charges for that. They need the policeforce and they were not getting any help from the local police department.So one of the things that carrol stit did was she went to the governor andhad a meeting with him, and the governor told her to do whatever was inher power to create some kind of commission to look into this btthatturned out to be just kind of a sham because he set her up with the attorneygeneral and they didn't do anything. They took all her files and had sad ina jor. For about six months till she went back to the governor growinginpatient. She demands another man with e governor one is scheduled, but it iscanceled on the day of the appointment and then another meaning is scheduled,and then that is canceled and E. Finally, somebody some political lackeyfrom the governor's office finally calls Carroll Stit and tells hit thatthe governor is no longer willing to bee with her. She kept getting hind ofpushed around and meetings canceled and delayed, and it looked like it wasgoing nowhere. She met again with the Attorney General. He agreed to let herhave an investigator as long as he only worked part time over. Thatinvestigator was garbage to he didn't investigate anything back. He wasobsessed with whether or not larence King's wife was a US citizen, which wasnot a question that anyone was worried about. They were trying to save thesekids before we get to investcator. I do...

...want to say, and you do Bigol oncalling out that there are people that are Peros or the very least just diving,their job seriously and she's one. I like you, think this Carolstid has seen or had seen at that time, hundreds thousands of cases she knows. What's Bs and what's not andshe's trying this hard to push this one, even anshally, getting all theBUREAUCRADIC pushback. It tells you something about the credibility of you know at least some of theallegations. There's they got serious people concerned Yeah I mean it isshocking how high this goes. You know as Lorettas in the hospital and she'smaking her allegations, her life becomes endangered and she starts toreceive a whole bunch of death. reats. Now Carroll Stitt who's been steadfast.This whole thing she's concerned for Loretta's. Well, being so, she goes tothe Douglas County district, Attorney's Office and Files to get protectionorder for her now Doulas County is the county that Almaha is in so she carroll stit files for thisprotection overder in when she gets her copy she's. Looking it over and she'sshocked to see that in the narrative, it's talking about how Loretta Smithhas been on the street for weeks and how she's suicidal now, all of thosethings are not true. This girls in the hospital and she's not suicidal. Sothat's how they do it. That's like a pro they're tyngup, BLU sens. if theyhave to have this girl suicide, herself or murderer or whatever you know, theyalready got a paper trail plus it would disqualify her in any type of futurecourt proceedings if they listened her. As being that, you know emotionallydisturbd that she was a suicide risk. No, it's really smart and you know at that time, whe Areyou,going to believe the suicidal street walking Laurda Smith, based on thefalse report or Lawrence King. The well respected member of society that sangthe man E my anpom chakes hands with the president, and so that's the way things kept goingto look like the bad guys are winning and they sure seem to be ontouchable.And then this happened on Friday November. Fourth, onethousand nine hundred and eighty eight just four days before XCA directorskolinbones member, the Ohemian Grove, George Hw Bush, was elected, Presdent,the United States agents from the FBI, the IRS and the National Credit Unionadministration swooped down on the Franklin Community Federal Credit, Uninand shut their doors. Oh so they finally decided to take the allegationsof sex abuse and child murder seriously. No, but let a couple million dollars gomissing and all Hellis about the preklisa sense. Senator Schmidt evencalled for a legislative pro. On the second meeting of a special hearing inthe Legislative Executive Board. Another senator this guy calledchambers made a drermatic announcement about the prope. The investigationwould not only be covering financial wrong, duity said, but also thephysical and sexual abuse of children by persons connected with the FranklinFederal Credit Union Carol. STID showed up, and some of her colleagues also wonwith her, and they presented the files they had on the web, foster home andthe Lauretta Smith files, hes credit to Senator Chambers. That's at leastanother person here, trying to at least get to the bottom of these allegationand incredit to Carroll stit for never giving up, even though she was shunnedand shut out by the attorney general by the governor and by anybody else. Thatwould be considered her boss. She kept with it and she wanted to make surethat justice was done for these kids. She brought Dennis Carlson one of heremployees from the foster care reviewboard, and he told the committeethat the allegations that they're about to hear are someone that would shockthe committee that they're going to deal with cald activities and thesacrifice of small children. Okay,...

...let's do a little bit of theater, I'mnot saying it's going to be good, but Dan and I are going to read thetranscripts and we're going to take turns being the different peopleinvolve. So Dan is going to start reading as Senator Remer. The question that came into mind it'sbeen in my mind since you've been testifying and I think you've answerepart of it just now, because you're talking about these abuses fromchildren from Boystown and girls, club and so forth, now is there a commonthread that goes over here to the credit union deal that we'reinvestigating, in other words, to the Franklin Credit Union. Is there acommon thread there that kind of leads to that? Now, I'm going to read asCarrol stit and I'm not going to make a female voice. So don't expect that.Well, the common thread is Larry King Senator remers. Yes, that's what I meanit all goes back to him. Okay, it's around this time that the Senatedecided to create the Franklin Committee and ired private investigatorGary Carradory, a former state petrollment caradory is the only decentlaw man in this whole saga. He finds at interviews victims and gathers detailedallegations of sexual abuse, drug usage, pornography and other crimes byprominent Omaha citizens and maybe even found out what happened to Johnny Gosh E, just a real clickd down an Garycarratory. When I ws researching him like he has a pass as a law enforcementofficer, he's been investigator for a long time. He was of the quality ofperson that a state legislative investigationcommittee would hire him. So He's not some Cook Yeah Hes, no Slouch, definitely not one of the girls. That interviewed issomeone named Alicia Owens and we're not. I don't want to get into Er casetoo much not trying to get bog down in this. This whole thing is really aboutJohny Gosh, but I just want to tell you a little bit about her to kind of framehow deep the coruption went. She was initially hesitant to discuss her past,but she does claim that she met Larry King when she was fourteen through somekids from boystown and that she was Ragte by Larry K and the Omaha Chief ofpolice. Remember the guy that was covering up all the investigations andgiven his seal approval to pornographers and everything. She claims that the chief of policeraped her with his gun, which is really messed up. She went on about the chief and how hewas mostly into the little boys that she would see him fondly little boys onhis lap, she's ascribbingin photograph naked by Rusty Nelson. That was thephotographer that the chief of police, like so much she mentioned underage sexparties with superintendent. He comes up a lot of times, he's thesuperintendent of the school that these kids all go to. So these poor kids havethe chief of police highe politically connected Larry King and their ownsuperintendent, and she basically confirmed all the leads that the fostercarry viewboard had yeah. So what Carrol, stid and her people werefinding was actually being verrified by another kid that they didn't evenidentify or ever talk to. So that definitely adds credibility to this andAlicia said she took numerous plane trips at the direction of Lawrence Kingfor sexual purposes. These trips included flights to Los Angeles, Kansas City,Pasadena, California, and on these flights they were other kids. This kindof reminds me of the whole epsteinn thing with the Lulida Express and everything at least. I also describe going toLarry King's house and seen pentagrams drawn on the kitchen floor, which isnot weird at all, and she describes seeing satanic pictures on the wall forall her trouble. She was rewarded with being placed on trial for perjury and,at the same time, her tril was going on. Her younger brother was arrested forjoy, writing and a stolen car, and he was found in his gl sell. He had theshipbeat Oun of him and apparently hung himself in his cell. So that's what youget for speaking ou again its Larry King definitely sends a message suredoes so anyway. The point of this wholething was that this guy, Gary Carra...

Dori, finds a lot of victims,likealisha victims that were molested by Lawrence King, that were molested bythe chief of police that were covered up in silence and ther's all points.The fact that there is this ring of kidnappers and child exploitation,people that are operating nearby, where John y Gosh disappeared, that they'reprofessionals that they got. I mean they prove to you that they can getaway with it, that they could do it. That they dodn't even need to hide it.So if you're wondering what happened to Johnny Gosh, this would be a good placeto look. Gary carradory interviewed a ton of people like this. He had a lotof damning evidence and actually on July Tene, one thousand nine hundredand ninety Gary carradory called his boss. He was working for the the Senatecommittee, so he called Senator Lawrend, Schmidt and hinformed him that he nowhad the subjects of their investigation by the quote short hairs. The next morning, of course he was dead.He died in a small plane crash, but that wasn't the only suspicious thingthey happen. Do Him right right? Well, all leading up to this time, GaryCarradory was telling people that his car wasbeing messed with. I think he saw people outside his home, this alldocumented in the conspiracy of silence, documentary where they interview people,including Lawrenge Schmidt and people close to it, and so at this time Garyactually fleout with his son, I believe, to see the All Star game for MajorLeague Baseball and while he was out of town because he was on amateur pilot oryou know, he would fly his on plane and while he was there, I you know he tooka little sidechip and he had gathered the information. He even told Lawrencschmidth that he had a book with names and addresses that could tie all thesesuspects to the whole conspiracy and he even told him. He said I got one stepahead of them. Finally, if they find out I'm dead, why you know I read tothat like he started driving in different car because of the other carbeen tampered with, we talked about as homebeing broken into. There was somebady people that could reach out and touchhim were reaching out and messing with him yeah. He wus definitely beingharassed and followed, at least according to him and then on July Ele. One thousand ninehundred and ninety between w fourty am an Twur, an fifty seven. I am in North Centra Illinois his planecrashed. Now there was iye witnesses to this, a farmer reporter that he saw aflash of light heart an explosion and saw the plane plunge to the ground, andthis is fhro John ECAMT's book, Thet Franklin, Coverup Yheah, I witnessaccount of the flash of Lightnhe explosion, was on the early edition,the news in Nebraska, but then was pulled and never seen again. The FAA basically said we're not surewhat happened. They never investigated it and years later, there's a freedomof information aft asking about this, and I think the local enenforcement said he flew into thunderstorms for somereason FSS, which I think is flight safety. Something never told him thatthere's snother storms there so well. I know that they're able to recover theblackbox they're able to recover most of his personal effects. The only thingthey couldn't find was his briefcase and any of the evidence that he hadwith him. So that's not suspicious in any way at all is a no very c wellbefore he died, and this is where we're right. On top of the Johmy cars case,now he encovered a man named Paul Benasshe. This guy had been picked upfor male prostitution. He was a a male hooker and at first it just seemed tobe another ordinary sex crime, kind of arrest, but upon to being interviewedby the police, Pau Benoszi started making wild accusations and he claimedthat heven part of a sex wring since he was a boy and that the sectory wasconnected to other prostitution groups throughout the US, including and thisis.The scary part one in Washington DC that even furnice child male prostitute,so boy prostitutes to the White House, the more the police spoke with Hem. Themore interesting ha story became...

...because, according to Bonashi, as hegot older, he lost his usefulness as a child. Prostitute Han, been forced byhis handlers into kidnapping replacements, Paul Banazi says thatthese replacements included a young Johnny Gosh Balbanashi was debrief by a man namedbrace Stevens he's an interesting guy. He spent a lot of time debriefing Papanasi, butbefore that he had a passed with kind of being connected with the Mafia andhe had gone straight after being a safecracker for organized crime. He turned his skills and his connections ittogood and he ended up rescuing fifty children that were lost, that thepolice had given up on and couldn't find. You know that he brought themback home and solve their cases, so he had some kind of connections in theunderworld and was able to get kids back and the parents of Johnny GoshHird Roy Stevens after Gary Carradory died, and so this guy wory Stevens goesto the prison where Bana she is being held, and he starts to interview himand he even falls up on thoe places in the tips that Paul Banashe gives him,and he said that an all the time they spent questioning Paul, Banashi andfalling up on his leads that he had never once told them anything thatdidn't turn out to be a hundred percent. True, but Ashul describe to Stevens thekidnapping of Johnny Gosh as an ire witness. Well, we got up an before thesun got up. He amelio said he wanted to go out because he said that he had beenaround here before and stuff and he said that paper boyswd be going outpretty soon. He said he might be able to that. That would be the best bet hewanted them because he said they were easier in mornings, because that therewas noone o else around everyone else's asleep. First teaments, okay, so it'sjust you Mike and Amelio, and you were in his blue car, the blue, Chevy. Okay,then what happened? Oh then he well at first he had US Ey. They had mich as inthe back seat and he was kind of covered up with a blanket me. I wasstuck in the trunk because I had something and meally hit me a couple. Ihad said something: Amelia hit me a couple of times: First Tements, whatdid you say? calld him a dirty bastard because of the way he treated Mike allnight when we was in the hotel and stuff he brought some other guy andmade mye cap sex with that guy. I didn't think that was right, fir,savens, okay, so you're in the trunk and mice is on the floor were on theback seat covered with a blanket. Then what happened, and then I heard themtalking to somebody else at the car, but I don't know who it was because westopped. He was talking to somebody asking for directions asking where someplace was and it sound like. There was more than one kid it sound like there'sa couple of them there and then we weren around the block and you let meout of the trunk and told Mike to he says. If you don't do what I say, I'mgoing to shoot you. He is a gun he pulled out and pointed at me and saysyou do what I say or I'll shoot you we drove around so you're out of the trunknow yeah, I would sit in the back seat with Mike you're, both sitting therewere you hitting in the back seat or ar you just sitting up normal downlow kindof sitting on the floor and then Amelia. I guess I don't know what he did, buthe mike told me he says when the car slows down. He says when you feel habrake shirk. He says I'll grab them, you just hold them down, and so athappened, quick, it's like we went up. I felt the breake shirk. I saw the doorfly open. I saw mihe jump out and next say I know there was somebody you knowhe grabbed the boy and he throwing him in in my job. You know we were supposedto do his just hold him down and gag his mouth, so he couldn't yell ornothing and then after we had just like two seconds, just spun off Tor off gotout of there. Now this bit of testimony is incredible, because this is prettymuch exactly what the attorney neighbor that showed up after Johnny Gosh's,kidnapping and whas. Some of the paper boys when they were question recalledthis was the blue car. The Blue Ford, fair amount, Godero, asking weirdquestions for directions. When the attorney came out to speak to them, thecar tore off like a bad out of hell. This lines up and the amazing thing andGary Carra Dory pointed this out- was that Bunashe couldn't have known thestuff, because a lot of the stuff...

...wasn't available to the media, but hehad precise information exactly what happened when Johnny Gosh was kidnepped.It's like that classic police show trop where they leave something out of themedia report, so they can find out who's dolling the truth or not. There'sno way. Paul Benashe should have known half this stuff, no, he could haveknown and then when he later goes on, to describe birth marks and things likethat on Johnny Gosh's body. That's another thing that wasn't available tothe media that he knew so you have to give Paul Banashi a ton of credibilityas far as this goes all right Dan. I think that this makes a lot of sense,because when we discussed the kidnamp am Johnny Gosh, we said that there wasa driver. The suspected driver was in a blue forad fairmount and he flashed hisDome Liht a couple times and the guy walked out from between two houses andstarted fallowing Johnnan Gosh. That is exactly what Paul Banashi is describing,whether he even understands the full indications are not like. That is supercredible. His testimony lines up with one of the things that we said sanessasapart from a standard kidnapping, is that most cannappings aren't aconspiracy of involving multiple people. The most aren't will organized likethis and planned out between the number of adults, so everything he said linesup with the original testimony of that lawyer. Who happened to be there theday of the cannapping, but honesty also described a network of safe houses thatthe can approduced, and this is where the pedophile ring stored, the childrenthat they stole before they sold them and that's right sold them. He saidthat he met Johnny Gosh again several years later, and then he provided againa detailed description of the farm on which Johnny Gosh was being kept inColorado and that Goshas new we use quotations. Parents was a homosexualman and a lesbiane in the thirts, which is an odd coupling. You really thinkabout that, because that's basically are they straight gay man and lesbian woman raising achild. It's super weird, I don't know but goshaccording to Bonashi, once attempted to run away and Paul Benashhi said thatthey branded Gosh on his butt and that they use the same brand on horses andcows on their farm. So Yo used like their ranch mark or whatever yeahsounds terrobl. I hope that's not true. Well, it says Banachi drew a picture ofit for I Stevens so that brand. So, theoretically, if you could get a lookat Jeff Gennins, but you might know if it was really Johnny Gosh- and I don'twant to delve into this- but you know Jeff Kannon was a pornographic actor. Idon't know if there's any buttshots in there or not Googleit, I don't want to I'll do a lot for this podcast, but andhave my limits. So there was a guy called Imelio andthis part is really disturbing because he's part of a highly organizednational and even international kidnaving ring and Stevens is talkingto Banashigan and Steven's aske. Put Me: What's it Amilio tell you he did for aliving, KIDNAPP kids and took him to Las Vegas kind of kids. Any kid that hecould get doesn't matter if they're male or female an no, he kinnap boys orgirls mainthing. He can APP was boys, though, because he said he could getmore money from Amelia used to tell me all kinds of things like how they couldget away with canaffing kids and sell them out of the country. He said mostof the kids for Sodo Lons Vegas, that a rant she took me to one time for anauction. I went with him to Toronto several times her boys were sold. I sawa few girls once in a while. He said virgins could bring as much as fiftytosand dollars. They calld the boys toys, huse toys brought in more money,but not as much most boys were sold. UOF America because it's harder to findthem the men who bought these boy, toys had planes and they could transportthem easily. Bunasi ran into Melio again in March, one thousand ninehundred and eighty six near when, if e...

...say Colorado on the second occasion, hesaw Johnny Gosh, despite the astonishing new information from PauBanashi on the Gosh Kadnapping. The westemoin police department, of course,had not interviewed Banasi and also had no plans to is. According to the chiefof police, we are awarewhat's going on in the charge of the Gosh investigation,we're not going to reinvent the wheel. This has been investigating Nebraskawhen things need investigate and hear they will be investigated. A fact issomething unchanging and could be verified opinion, on the other hand, issubjective and a person's point of view. History contains not only facts butopinions to fill in the gaps, and it's these interpretations that feed urbanlegends. My name is Brenda and I'm the host ofhorrifying history, where you will hear about the unexplained, paranormal andsupernatural happenings, that is stained. The pages of history join usto hear these tales, and you can make up your own minds about what reallyhappened in history. You can find us on any major podcast provider and onfacebook, instagram or twitter to join our conversation and that's we're going to leave it. Thenext episode we're going to be talking about some other weird stuff that wasgoing on at the same time. That involves this more specifically Michael Orelio andthe Satanic Temple of set, who is probably influencing lawrence king andthey got some crazy stuff going on too and then we're getting near the end ofthis Johnny Gosh Saga. We still have to talk about more O, guess about Mk,Ultra Satanism and everything like that. But it's been a long drawn out processand it's kind of draining dealing with this dark topic, but we signed up for it. I guess- and westarted it so we're going to finish it thanks for listening and make sure thatyou subscribe if you're watching a youtube click, the notification belland everybody take care. Thank you back.

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