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Episode 4 · 1 year ago

Why Johnny Can't Come Home: Episode 3 The Franklin Cover Up

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Two years after the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch another paper boy disappears in West Des Moines. The police don't seem to have any idea what is happening or what to do about it.


While the search goes on for the missing boys a lurid, mysterious scandal begins to take shape in nearby Omaha.

This scandal will contain shocking allegations of kidnappings, sex trafficking and even satanic ritual abuse by prominent politicians.


Could this scandal contain any clues as to what happened to Johnny?

Find out on Invisible Ships

In s in the early Omaha Nebraska and deMoine Iowa seemed to be hot spots for the disappearance of children. It was ascary time because kids started to vanish, while they're out doing things.Children are supposed to be doing like riding a bike on a hot supper day ordelivera. Newspaper Johnny Gosh is just one of the many kids from that part ofthe country who went out of their homes and never returned. He wasn't the onlymissing paperboy in Iowa. He wasn't even the only missing paper boy whodelivered for the de Moine Register, because the local police departmentseemd to be either incapable or unwilling to find Johnny Gosh. Hisparents hired a team of their own private investigator who followed everylead. They could get still. The trail appeared to have brown cold, it wasn'tuntil oe thousand nine hundred and eighty eight a full six years sinceJohnny had last been seen when they got a huge break in the case. As a LURD andmysterious scandal began to develop in nearby Omaha Nebraska the weentry atstart, our homly of hopies voice, Houn Abrask, an one of the most prespectiveinstitutions in the United States and spread out like a tider Wepon, washthe DC right up the steps of te nations capital. The steps of the White House einvolve Ima, most respecteve and Powerbul and wichest businessmen ofthis United States of America and the centrfiece of the entire web is the useof CO or sex and drug EMI. Drung career Te, compromising a Politin, thecompromising of Dusiness, an the worse of all, an corruption of institution ofgovernment that has to do an responsibility tomake sure these things never happen. That was John decamp describing whatbecame known as the Franklin Credit Union scandal and later the FranklingCUV FRUP scandl. Let me explain this case started out as youre running themidle investigation, tof missing money, forty million dollars to be exact andthen the case kind of turned into this hideous thing, all about the dark andperverted world of child abuse and drug dealing and even satanic rituals.Everybody that was involved seemed to be protected by very powerful figures,ind politics and business, and it turned out to be a very dangerous caseto investigateon from one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight whet the casefirst broke open until one thousand nine hundred and ninety one when theyshut it down. At least fifteen people associated with the case, eitherinvestigators, alleged perpetrator or even potential witnessas died, suddenand sometimes violent death. Welcome back to another episode of invisibleships. Tonight we're going to continue our discussion about what happened toJohnny Gosh and we're going to be talking about another case that wasbreaking around the same time. That has a lot of relevance to what could havehappened to Johnny. Just wants you to be aware, though, that there's going tobe some pretty dark, stuff they're going to be discussing this has to dothis case has to do with ritualistic, satanic abuse and it's upsetting to say the least solistener discretion is advised in Johnny, Gosh's, home town of WestDemorne. They seemed to have a problem with paperboys disappearing. This isthe corner southwest, fourteenth and high view. where the newspapers EugeneMartin was delivering were found, its believe Jane Martin was adepted. JohnnyGush was not the only paperboy to be abducted. In fact, he wasn't the onlypaperboy that delivered for the demoine register to turn up missing, JNA stillmissing and police really don't know anymore now than they did then, asFaras finding out what happened to himmakinga rest, yeah bout, the first day we knew as much as we think as we do nonow about what actually happened in here. Did it therare those who say it'sgoing to happen again jest like it happened to Johnny, Gosh and JaneMartin? A kid will just be gone without a trace, Beverly Fisher, five TV news?Don't you think it's a little coincidential that two newspaperdelivery boys in the same town we're both abducted, never found no body,know nothing and just disappeard they vanish off the face of the earth yeah,and I also think it's coincidental that t e the police, just kind of were not being helpful and theninvestigating these cases. Johnny's C started to stall out, and it just seemsto be recurring pattern and all the cases that, for we are looking at inthis kind of vast conspiracy, that thepolice always need to find a way to just kind of not througly, investigatethese cases like, for example, just after Johnny'sdisappearance in Araan, spotted a store that've been published in Septebeornthousand ninehundred and eighty two about two demoined girls who have beenforced into prostitution in Ama Nebraska. So obviously this is daysafter giants appeared. She connects the dots and calls orvil. Cooney was the thechief of the Westermoin PoliceDepartment and he just refused to investigate any wink. He just would noteven humor the idea, so he still in a lat to right away, which lets an Aranecalling a press conference to make her story public and...

...and ultimately resulted in the ghostfamily receiving death threats for theire warrn stomaching waves, and shegave up on the police department and hired her own private investigator andwho ended up over the course of time. Hiring a few different privateinvestigators. Youh know, that's really bad. You cannot defend the policedepartment on this. They seem to have stymied every effort to find this kidand the other boy too, and you know when the parents are looking for JohnnyGosh, the way that the police seem to just kind of stime every effort wasteevery lead. It's no wonder that the parents decided to ust go ahead andhire their own private investigators. I belieme a Loto this on the chief ofpolice in West demoine and how he acted so indifferently towards thedisappearance of Johnny Gosh. It was like he didn't want him to be foundyeah. When we already talked about he jumped on the picnic table with abowlworn and told Er yone to stop searching. It was just a runaway yeah.He was drunk. He got up on that picging table, told all the volunteers at theGosh just had a sembled to help them find their sunay go home, the kids,nothing but a damn runaway and look at that. It said today like imagine ifthis happened now. Hopefully there would be amber alerts and all thatmanhunt for the car that reliable, credible witnesses said they saw notjust the paperboys but a Ford, a year old attorney. That was coming forwardwith information that it witnessed the car talking to Johnny, and here we getnothing. We get this real laidback wait and see approach, but I think there'smore. I think that somehow somewhere there's corruption, the policedepartment, but when you're talking about how noringosh found out aboutthose girls that were kidnapped and that were forcing Ta Prostitution Omaeverything about this story for a while now was going to Sener on Homaha,because there was some dark stuff there and it's kind of the dark center of thestory for a while is going into Oma, and I think you know what I'm referringto when we're talking about Omaha right,yeah Youve got to be talking about the Franklin Credit Scandal Right: Thefregment credit unions, GAM yop yep about six years after Johnny wasdisappeared. All Hell breakes loose, it's a hurricane of scandal, blowing upin Omaha. What do you know about the FranklinCredit Union scandal? You know at first glance it it looks like kind of the runof the mill and besnant and bezzlement scandal that unfortunately happens thatfinancial institutions- It was a credit union run by an upandcoming Republican in in Nebraska's name- was Laurence e Kingjuior real interesting guy lived a verylavige lifestyle. They it's strange, it's kind of hard to findany pictures of him which, if you're wearing your tinfoil hat, starts to get.You thickin especially won't find any pictures of him with any politicians,but he was a rihting star in the Republican Party. Like I said he aft,you sang the national anthem, a the Republican vention, one thusand ninehundred ad, eighty four, but people the irs especially tooknotice of his lavish lifestyle and he was audited and ended up goingto court for ign beszment, but during the time of the trial, so much darker,rumors and accusations started coming out against him, involving basically sexually molesting and hurting young children yeah and before we get into that darkerside of him, when you say lavige lifestyle. I think if you don't knowanything about this case, that that's a giant underestimate, I mean like whenyou really hear about how you live like and that's what I like about this case.It's just that there's so many twisting turns to it and there's so many largerthan life fascinating characters, and he definitely was one of them he's kindof. Would you say like not yourstereotypical, midwestern Republican to Beani and when Yo say larger than lifehe he he truly wasn't. He was truly large, like I don't know exactly howTalle was, but he's always described his very tall. He had like a reallynice guilty. They kind of just framed his mouth, really big, he's very flashydresser and there was actually an article in the Washington Post fromfrom this time period when the trial, as actually going on before I wasresolved, and they said basically, you could say he could stretch a dollar. Hehad two apartments in Omaha and a place in Washington DC is Omaha. Penau, saidFiftysandolas. Just in furnishings. He actually had a ret IC crane to bringhis custommay couch into his pent house. So when we have to rent a crane to geta couch into your kind of house you're doing. Okay and the funny thing is, hewas only supposed to be making a salary of sixteenthousand dollars a year, buthe had a Mercedes bens worth. Seventy thousand dollars, yeah CADELAC spenabout ten Ka month on limousine service and ten ousand dollars a month. Therewas an especially fragment, especially fragrant, thirteen month time span,where you spent about a hundred forty sixthousand dollars e on forallarrangements. These are s numbers I mean think about whatinflation is now thore's, that's a lot...

...more money. I mean that was a ton ofmoney in those a especially on a sixteen husand dollar a year salary.But this guy was he's a black Republican. He was part of the NationalBlack Caucus for the REHELPIKANS. He was by most accounts homosexual. Thereis a lot of evidence to support that he was a drug dealer and he's involved ina whole lot of weird stuff. That kind of comes out later. He was connected kind of high up in theRepublican Party. Wasn't he yeah? Well, I mean like it was mentioned. He hadthat place in Washington DC. He was vice president of the, I think, theBlack Republican Council, the National Black Repulbican Council. He would holdevents before like Republican conventions. He I think he actuallysang it to of two of them, HEU for sure saying, O one of them. He did he sayinghat eighty four and eighty eight gentleman, the CAIR now recognizesLawrence King Juor, a member of the Nebraska delegation forthe singing of the national as and he ad a pretty good voice. Sowhen, you hear the crazy, I shouldtsay crazy. When you hear some very detailed and scandalous allegationsagainst thim and the name dropping of some reallythe highest level of politicians, you can't outrigte discount it because it'sif you want thing to say, Oh yeah, Bob Bob Smith took me to a party and GeorgeBush was there and but bopsont has no connection al. So you just don't care,but when you sayd Lawrence King told me to a party where there was sexuallyabuse. Minors and George Bush was there. We know that Orange King New GeorgeBush at least enough to meet you know yes, well, they can't totally washtheir hands of him and pretend like he was somebody that they didn't know hewas he was at, like you said he sang at both of the conventions. He was at a lot ofdifferent functions for both Reagan and Vice President Bush, and he was known to have his parties on his houseand MBC row DC, where there would be high ranking members of the Senate inCongress from both parties. So it's not just a Republican thing. There wereRepublicans and Democrats all kinds of powerful people in his circle that hewas connected with when they question his landlord because he did not justhave like we said he had two apartments at Homaha and the guy that was rentinghim, the pent house. He said later on that he couldn't figure out how thisguy had so much money but that he namedropped all these powerful people,so het just figured that he was extremely well connected. He was alsoprobably payin for apartments for other people, that kind of came out and notto go too far onto this story. Om just drop a little bit. There was a guy thatwas going around trying to take photos of kids and he ended up being prettyinappropriate and probably producing illegal pornography with kids, but itturned out that he was this Guy Laurence e King that we're talkingabout was payin for his apartment and he just there's so many ced people thathe was connected with, but H. Lawrence e King was a man that was pretty wellknown to children. One of the first clues that this guy king was involvedin a lot of darker stuff came from a teenage girl. We're going to call herNellie and Nellie was adopted by a couplenamed Mister and Missus Webb. The webs were pretty close friends with kwith MrKing, and that could kind of explain how they were able to live a lavishlifestyle to so not just Lawrence e King is living way, bovs means, but sowere the Webs, because the webs made about the same amount of money and theyhad twenty one thousand dollar Chandeleer in their house, SOS wellover Mister Webb's annual salary. Just in Chandelier. You know all thisinformation that we kind of have about Nelly and her her sister Kimberly getsmentioned to which they were the adopted children of Mister and Missus Webb, whowere friends with Laurence e King and there's allegations that laurance kingpaid them kind of for use of the children. But all this information that we areboth referencing comes from a book by John docamp called the Frankin coverupchild abuse, satanism and murder in Nebraska, and he has interviews withNebraska Department of Social Services with the kit. With I'm glad that youbrought Mr Tocamp up, because I wanted to talk about him tob so he's not justa Nobudy, he was...

...state senator in Nebraska. He was aRepublican. So a lot of the people he implicates in his story are Republicansd. He doesn't have a political motive to do it. He was also high up as adeputy assistant to the director of the CIA for years. He's a well connectedguy and he ended up becoming an attorney and he was passionate abouttrying to stop these kids from disappearing and and realize that theyhad a real dark problem in his State and he tried to fix it and he did thebest he could. But this poor girl Nellie was adopted by the Webs, likeyou said, and she was both physically ansexually abused by her adopted family,which is a tragedy started when she was nine years old. She said that Mister King Laurancy King wouldsometimes call the webs and invite Nellie or her step brother Joey Tokparties that he was hosting at girlstown. A Lawrence King was on the board of both boys, town andGirlstown, an Ohoma Nebraska. So he would call the webs and tell them tohave one of the kids ready in a few minutes and he would show up and takethese kids to the functions, and these parties were not probablywhat you would imagine a boy's town, a girls town would be hosting as a party.It wasn't just punch, ING, pizza and moving night. There was drugs andalcohol at these parties and there were adults, a lot of strange adults at theparties and a lot of times. There were also prostitutes and just to be Clis.This is that Boystown and Girlstown, which is a Catholic, basically kind oforphanage, but really Nice Center for youth. Without parents and they'rehaving whatitas strugs and sex parties. There yeah something was supposed tosupport the kids and help them was ill, unfortunately, being totallymisused alike. Yeah I mean I mean that was the mission right. That's the stateadmission of boystownand girls town to help these kids yeah El. I meanallegedly theiare abuws. I O true. I don't want to get to they.Can you CUN say what you want? No you're right, but we're going to tell the story the waythat she is telling it, but these yeah it's a leged, so nellie andthere's another girl named Kimberly said that at these parties they wouldmeet other children, boys from Boystown, and the girls were able to pick outsome of these boys by looking at Boystown year books from eighty threeeighty, four and eighty five one of the boys. She couldn't Identifyan the books,but it actually helps to corroborator story because he had quit boys town,but he was still connected with King. So that's why he didn't show up in anyof the your book. Phota, that's going to be Brent, right, yeah right so, but I think that thatadds some credibility to restore they're, not just pointing in a yearbook and making up People Brentson Aines. A Name O. Remember, though,because he's involved on the most scandalous of the allegations that the midnight call boys at theWhite House yeah. That would be the one where and Y alway till they get to it. Okay, I dont want to get ahead ofourselves, but you need to stay with this because there are a lot of crazydevelopments in the story. So Brent was flown from city to city, sometimes onLarry's private plane. The guy that made sixteen thosand dollar had aprivate plane and he would take this kid Brent to places and who knows whatthey were doing. But at these parties there wereprostitutes and sometimes there', be about twentykids total the men would drink and do drugs, and sometimes when they feltready, they would take out a fifty or a hundreddolar bill. They would whispersomething to Mr King and that you would go upstairs or to some other part ofthe House with one of the Children Nelli and Kimberley Bolso. Theprostitutes told them to give half of the money to Larry and they could keepthe other half Larry was pretty generous, especially to the boys and alot of people that know about Larry. King said that he had a very unhealthyinterest in some of these younger boys, so he would buy some of them cars andthrow them lavish parties to. But this girl Nellie talks about how thesexual activity in this parties wasn't always even behind closed doors likesometimes they're doing it right out in front of them and there' be couplesengaged in both like hetrosexual and homosexual sex, and it just it has tobe insane yeah, especially at the place that is supposed to be a safe haven forkids. It's it bothers the mind too. Tick is a now. I will be quick to say that I don't thinkeverybody at Boyton girls, town, because they're still active today.That's still a thing. I don't think they're all involved in this TATANICchildmolstation cult that we're going to be discussing no, but it bothews themind how many of them there must be to buy off to get in to be able to do.This...

...are just enough people to talk theother way because he's so powerful. It's just it's astounding, yeah, and the way that I wasapproaching the story. Theend was, I didn't really think of this as being necessary, anindictment on them. It seems like a particular chapter, was hijacked bysome evil people. That's kind of the way that I'm looking at it and at thistime and place it Omaha, it was allegedly completely hijacked by someevil people with some really messed up. Mindset yeah, although I'm not gonna,ignore the reality that there is a very public child sex scandal in the CatholicChurch that was broken by the Boston Globe. True, you know thies we're not accusingeverybody with there's some suspicious batters and all of this stuff andthere's all these connections that to some type of national kind of ring, and I think thatyou raise a good point to so. If you wanted to just dismiss this out of handand say that these kids are liars, just like you mentioned, think about that.You know that Boston story proved that there was a lot of sex abuse and a lotof coverup and that people that could have stopped it knew about it and theyactively hit it so that maybe what was happening here too, that somebody couldhave stopped this, but they chose not to. But now I think in sorry, but Ijust must say I do think in some ways there there's a connection betweenthose stories, and that was just kind of just imagine. This story was called, Ithink, a decade before the the Boston Globe broke, or maybe two decadesbefore the Boston, gob broke the Catholic Church story and they were alltreated the same way. Just that's crazy. That couldn't happen. That's crazy!There's no way it could be that white spread and then finally, one group ofjournalists decided to look into it and break the story open.So it lends credibility to it. This story, let's move on this guy, laurency, kingor well just start calling Larry King, because he's referred to that as a lotof times is Larry King, but he's absolutely not the Larry King. Thathost talk show it's totally different, lary Kig, but it's funny. If youpicture him that way: Thats sor yeah, no hat' solry this dude, Mr King Larry, King Laurence.King, is a freak I mean he was married, but I think he had a lot of crazyextramerital stuff, including with allegedlygue younger boys and just alot of weird taste in the bedroom right, yeah, there's a lot of elegationsagainst him. If you have a chance to watch the documentary conspiracy of silence that was producedby the BBC and as originally supposed to ar in the discovery channel, butright before we're supposed to fromier, they mteriously tolled it, but it's outthere in you can watch and they they interview a couple. F, the lleged victims and the one guy said: lary would basically drug drug him upand make him do so many crazy things, including o now, and it's just so disturbing. So if youieve ocations Lawrence, you can just basically like to. I think it had a lot of d lot to dowith power with them like he just liked o have sex with whoever n whanever youwanted and there' some some foul things. I I just don't even want to talk aboutthat. They say ye did, but the craziest thing, the craziest thing a lot oftimes, you'll be at a party with National Paul Political, big plates.Think ostairs, brate somebody and then come back down. andhes doing the party a like just like nonsauntly after arape, come back downstairs and look for the ordors or whatever yeah yeah stowas crazy. He was weird, it was bad guy, but he took the girl Nelli, so she's ateenager, the one that was being abused by the webs and everything he took herand his wife and his son, France, on trips to Chicago New York andWashington DC, starting when Nelli was fifteen years old. She actually missedlike twenty two days of school. Due to these trips, she was typing along underthe Gus of being princees babysitter. She claims to have met Vice PresidentBush saw him at some of the parties that Larry hosted at his home in DC. At some of the parties and Elli says itwas all just get a bunch of guys and George Bush would sometimes attend, soit would be older. Men, like the high powerful politicians mixing with youngguys in their tenties Nellie, also said that she had seen sodamy committed atthese parties at other parties during Larry's trips, Larry had the localprostitutes coming in their twes and s to entertain his male guests and atthese parties, Nily said that every guss had a bardyguard and some of themmen were wearing guns. She said all the...

...guests had a produce ID and runningthrough a machine to verify that the guest was who they said they were andthat they were actually invited. All the guests were frisked down beforeentering the party, and you know, George W Bush comes up inanother part of the Franklin Fair when we're talking about the midnight callboys right. So we don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but we keep kind ofdancing aright in that callboyand also, I don't want to get way ahead ofourselves, but it's not just poincitelt to me that it's President George HwBush to not Ronald Reagan or George W Bush George Ahw Bush once the head ofthe CIA, a member of scalm bones, he's as connected to this weirdritualistic magic stuff as anybod he's into that evil. CIA Bullshit for surehe is such an interesting character. And you know what else is weird is damnif, if we're kind of playing with the idea that Jeff Gannon could be JohnnyGosh after he'd been molested and MK altered and everything later on, likeit would make sense that they would pull him out and use them as a littleprop to help baby Bush at a press conference. You know what I mean rightand don't forget that Jeff Gannon was working as a highle paid prostitute forWashington's elite right before he was made to hoisas reporter at the WhiteHouse, and it's not like Georgehw Bush wasn't still around. I mean you justrecently died jof to who knows. I mean I bet he was even like from a tolly noncontroversialSamp Plaan Surky, called in favors and stuff to help his son, heaven a bettertime of it as president, because he had all the connection. So I would not besurprised at all of the Jeff Ghanic connection came from the Bush family needing some help and going back to saying, allegedly ifany of this stuff is allegedly true. I hope that Bush isn't help, because thisis some evil dark stuff, and this was all reported by Nelli to Child Welfarepeople and the Child Welfare People reported it to law enforcement agenciesby March, one thousand nine hundred and eighty six. There was plenty of papertrail that she had given to the child with Welfare agencies and they a givento the police and the police or the FBI, or whoever gave any care care at allabout kids could have looked into this like the diplomatic security servicelogs, which are what she was debscribing when the gust come in andshow their information and swipe it through the machine that she wastalking about, those logs could have existed, they could have been subpoenae.They could have done something about this, but they didn't elaw enforcementofficials, just like with Johnny Gosh, just like in that little town at Westenloine they faile to pursue any leads or follow any clues to do anything thatcould have helped these kids they chose not to. They could have stopped this.You know it's upsetted every time I read aboutthis or hear about it. I get upset because that's bullshit, I know I agree. They allowed the trailto go crolld. I did want to mention, though you know that', not the last time thatGeorge Bush's name comes up in this story, and it's also one of the Alegations was at a DC partythat George Bush was. That is that he paid I forget to sell Om money, somesome F O money. He paid to take Brent, that boy that Nellie knew and Du whoknows what with him. So that's yeah one of the allegations about the PresidentEtit or the vice president. At the time now, itwuld probably be also good timeto mention that there is a picture of George Bush senior is a younger man isclearly a picture from the lates or early s at some kind of function thathe's wearing a suit and tie. It looks like a formal function and, in thebackground, there's a kid that looks strikingly a lot like Johnny Gosh. Hewould have been about thirteen or fourteen by the time, the picture astaken kids on identified in the picture and but whoever the child isn't a photo. Helooks a whole lot like Johnny Gosh and that's the age. Johnny Gosh would be atthat time. Yeah rlly, it would be. He would beabout that that age at that time- and you know like so if you add that up itkind of makes sense in a weird twisted way, that these boys that werekidnapped from West demoin were never found dead or anything like a lot ofchild abductions. End Up with a body found somewhere at some point, and wedidn't find that we just found kids that completely vanished d. We knowthat this guy, this character, Jeff Canon,is using a fake name. I'm not saing. You know we're sayingthat this is all let I'm not Jeff Gannin does not admit to being JohnnyGosh. She says he's not, but it kind of it just kind of makes sense. I mean ifhe was him if he was kidnapped and using this kindof child prostitution and had this trauhadic stuff happened to him andthen later on, we're going to introduce...

...some MNK ultura characters that werefloating around on the outskirts of this working as a prostitute and later later t years living in DC area, likeit all kind of in a weird twisted way, starts to add up. But what we keepseeing over and over again is that nobody that could do anything about inthe stuff caris to look into it. The county prosecutor back for Nelli's casewhere she lived, was a guy named Parick trip, and he also seemed to not believeNellie. He called her a liar, even though she passed for Li detector test.Nobody was indicted, so the appearants that adopted her the webs they went.Free, Larry King got invited back to seing the Star sangled banner, a secondtime at the Republican National Conventini, one thousand nine hundredand eighty eight, and that was kind of the end of Hersaga. But now we're aboutto get into something. That's a whole lot. Weirder that involves LawrenceKing and they're called power meetings with Satan, and this is where it'sgetting get pretty dark. We're going to be discussing some of the claims ofritualistic, Satanic Abuse. Think there should definitely be like a listener.Discretion warning here. Yeah some of this stuff is some of the stuff is bad doing the research or this one andreading all about this and listen to this. It just puts you in a dark mood.So if you're sensitive to this stuff- or I an I think, pretty much- everybodyis sensitive to the stuff. You might not want to listen for a couple minutes,but also I mean what I some of us. I think we just will just kind of givethe broad strokes of what's going on. If you really want to know th the nittygraty detail s, the Franklin cover up Byk John De camp. He list he listeverything and it's just some real disturbing stuff sowe'll get to as we talk. Sowhat we're talking about is more kids, now more kids of step forward, andthese kids are brave. They passed polygraphs. They were interviewed bychild psychologists, who were initially re sceptical of their claim, so theydidn't come in with bias in favor of believing this kids actually kind ofhad the opposite, where they prepared not to believe what they're saying. Butafter hours and hours of interviews and interviews with the authorities andstuff, a lot of the child psychologist involved came to believe that thesekids couldn't be making the stuff up that what they're describing actuallyhappened to them. They didn't stop the local newspaper, though the Omaha world,Harold from trying to cover for king and his buddies. They ran aheadliee,titled Satanism, lots of Talk, little proof, and they said the problem wasnot an epidemic of Satanic Abuse, but rather America has witnessing epidemicof concern over Satan, an his minions beliterallyin it, especially amongadherents of fundamentalist Christianity. So they just completelytry to call these kids liars, and you told me something really interestingabout the homaho world. heroat was that when, when the Franklin kind of party scene starte up alongside thescandal with the sex parties, they said there was three ring leaders to it. One was obviously Lawrence King one was a guy named aln beer, whoas, adepartment, Star millionaire and in Demoine, and then the third person wasa man named Peter Citron. who was the celebrity calumnist for the the newspaper there the World Herald?So there is a connection there. How many celebrities are in Omaha? I'msorry, I don't know why they would have a celebrity columist and freakingOmahon AF re, but go ahead a quarters of steak. I mean there's, probably alot of celebrities there and this Peter Sitron guy ended upgetting arrested for sexually molesting two children, so you know he's.Definitely if he was someone's going to be involved in these type of strange sex parties. It would be him.So I don't know if who wrote the article that' You're referencing, butyou I have discussed to that if one of the purposes of because that's the thing that alwaysjust gets my good on this things like what is the reason for all this otherthan just like a Lici pleasure of just depravedpeople, but like I think part of it, is to getcompromising photographs and blackmail and politicians and and then in. If your scheme startsto get out there in the press and it's too late to kill the story and thatbest thing is to make the story. Look silly and kind of flood the market withso many similar stories as disinformation that it kind of getstuned out and can be rushed off as the satanic panic and I kind of think thatthey might have been playing defense there, because the story was startingto get out and going back to your your role of dark magic that you youmentioned in on these episodes, where they have to make it known that they'rethey're doing their trick on you. It just yeah that was aliser Crawley YeahAlisor Crawley has something called...

Lesser Magic and I magic doesn't workunless you tell the people that you're doing it. So who knows what type of youknow? Maybe it's a mass initiation ritual and they needed it out there. Iknow that's just crazy talk, but wou know, as you study this case, you'realready knee deep into some crazy stuff and there's more comment down the pike.You know I've been thinking about hat Braska like. Why is it so weird? Why isit keep coming up and there is that offit air force base that has tiesnKalture, which will get to but is also thinking like if you were trying totraffic humans across the country. ALMAN EBRESKA IS 't exactly dead center,but it's pretty it's just about yeah, especially it's a little further to theeast, but there's more population to these than there's. You know less untilyou get kind of over the rocky mountains aut west and it's probablyit's a manageable size. So it's easier to control the media there and it'seasier to control the local politicians. I mean probably a lot harder to do itin Chicago or New York La if you wanted to own all the media and control it.You know I'm saying yeah and just like you're dealing with in Omaha. I don'tknow how many cops are on the police force, but definitely not like mypd orsomething where you'd always it'd be easier to manage them. Keep thedetectives from being on the right trail or shut down. Investigations thatyou don't want to see come up sure it kind of would make sense. I mean aweird way that they would choose that, I'm pretty sure it's a decent. It'sabout half a million people there, but it's like Milwaukee size, but still Iprobably would be easier to kind of get to know the right people morequickly and who knows what it is? It's just really it's just it's just weirdthat it keeps coming up, and I had no idea how weird Oma was, and just there was also at this time realexclusive club for the top people in the city, like the county commissionersand the mayor and stuff like that, and they had these weird photos: Ot therelease of their Club of them all DRESSD, like Egyptian women and dressedin weird, ritualistic, costumes and stuff. I mean Omaha, was creepy andweird, especially in Tha eits nighes. I don't know what it's like now. I alwaysthought of Omas, just being like a boring cornplace, as also was a girl that was namedLoretta Smith, and she claimed that she was also at some of these king partiesand that King would hold parties again at the North Omaha Girls Club, wherethe leaders, both men and women, that were leaders of the club, were engagedin the photography of new children. She listed doctors and lawyers and shesaid that they all were using code names and that that she couldn't getany of the real names individuals. She says that the adult leaders whotook the photos used threats against her and t other to get them toparticipate in these photographic cessions, because the kids werehesitant to do it, and she said that I'm multiple occasions she was told thather entire family would be killed if she refused to participate in thoseactivities. These take on bit of a different turn. Like you said,from the original lorence King, because Larse King was it was violentand depraved and everything, but I don't remember, threat against theFamili stuff like that made the families. Maybe theoretico were morewilling with Lawrence King, but this seems a little bit more organizedand violence, and you know she reported that they weredoing satanic ritual as well. They give them something to drink thatshe said was, they would say, was apple juice, but she thought there's sometype of drug in it and ther was tet, gives her and tell her he rigt theroomis going to spend, and then she lik yeah, let me get into.Let me set that up a little bit more because this girl, Loretta Smith, wentto the police and there was a polute report that ended up in the FranklinCommission. It was dated June thirty of one thousand nine hundred and eightyeight. So right, the very beginning of this thing she talked to somebody namedofficer, Karman and Alvier. Carman wrote down a lot of what she said inthe report. Obviously, and the main gist of it, though, was concerningchild pornography, but there's a lot of mentioned also of this devilworshipping activity that Larry King was a big part of so in eighty, eightLaurea Smith was put in a hospital for a while to because of all this traumand everything, and she trusted her doctors and nurses enough that shestarted to reveal even more details than the police were interested in thatand she provided a lot of information ofthis called activity, including witnessing of homicides of severalyoung children and again she mentions Larry King being involved in presentduring those yeah on Augus nineteent of eighty eight. The hospital notesindicate that Loretta was asked to give...

...a chronological account of theinvolvement in what was described as a devil, worshipping, callet and Lorettaagreed to do this, and she indicated that she didn't really know what washappening at first, because she became very involved very gradually. That kindof sticks out at me like that, gives it a little shade of Realis and a, I think,also it kind of gives yo an idea of sort of how they bigure in these people.So she was really young at this time, but ableto like leave her house and leave these places to go, do what he wants, somaybe probably not the most stable home life and she basically it sounds likethese guys like lured her in and she kind that they were partying and theystarted out. They just hang out n like abandoned houses and smoke a joint, andthese are all men in their ies and she was like fifteen or younger, but yeah. I think it started when shewas like more like ten or eleven so and the guy one of the guys you're talkingabout is somebody named Ray. Who supposedly was working for the GirlsClub and Homaha, and he would take her and other girls on what was calledGirls Club outings, and one of them was that an abandonedbuilding. So, of course, you're going to take the girls from Girls Club on anout into an abandoned bill, because that doesn't sound weird and they wouldsit around and talk in in the Bandod building and Ray would give them marijuana joints to get them high. Andshe said that like they would gradually ease them in like this. So this will goon for a couple weeks where you go to an abandon, building and smoke pot withthe leaders from the Girls Club and then you'd start going to parties andstuff with them, and she said at the Party there would be about ten men allin their mids and they would sit around initially. They wanted to talk to thegirls about their problems and part of that, maybe to get even more power overthe girls and more information from them, but she Floretta was also saying thatas a people got wasted and the men of the party would make them sleep aroundand that the girls didn't have a choice of who they slept with so they're,basically being sexually abused and had no say in what was happening so for awhile. There Loretta was done with the Girls Club and she stayed away it'skind of hard to understand why she went back it's Ana. It sounded like shewasn't really messed up through no fault of her own kid and kind of thought. Maybe she wanted to goback like she sounded pretty messed up about it, but then then talk about theystarted taking the girls to what they calle power meetings and they candlesand did weird stuff there like more ritualistic yeah. So the power meetingsdefinitely sound, like now, they're getting directly introduced to realsatanism and like Thereis, mad black magic and drugs being use, and that'swhere I think that she was given the drink that you were talking about, thatthey told her. The room was going to spin when she took that drink rightthis. So this happened a couple months later after she'd been already kind ofinitiated smoking pot with these guys tellingthem about her problems andstuff. But at one of the power meetings she was taken to another abandonedbuilding an Oma and she was locked in a room with a little girl which was alittle infant. This is hard to listen to, but about midnight the men cameinto the room and they took the little girl away and told her that she couldachieve as much power as she wanted by killingsomething she really loved and Loretta described that they cut the littlegirl's head off and stuck it on the wall and made her sit in front of it right, and this is where I gets intothe stuff that we don't. I don't think we need to getto the details, and I think that's I mean that's so disturbing and horrible,and basically they mutilate the courpse and they do all kinds of weird thingsand they try to make they make her. Do Weird things to it and on she refuses.They beat her yeah and Basi it. Basically it endsthey left or locked in the in the room with the girl's body for twenty fourhours and during the time all she could hear where girls screaming the otherrooms and then shortly after that, they came of the room and told her. Shepassed the test and took her home a couple wocks away and let her out andone of the people that she claims that she saw at this satanic ritual murderof an infant was her school principl, which I don't know. What you wouldthink is a kid oitwuldbe hard to find somebody that you talk to o. If you go along with kind of the the theory it makes, you know, sincethe leaders of the community they're all they're all corrupted and who knowshow kind of onsidious Dis cault is and the power structures and then there's also cannibalism. That comes up not going togo like you said we're not going to go deep, inthe details, but an another oneof these meetings. This girl loredic claims that a little boy was sacrificedand that the girls that were there were...

...forced to eat part of his body that wasfried and and that the girls were forced to eat it, which is just it's so messed up. It'shard to think about. If these cons are if these cins are true, this call because there's another word forwhat this is, I mean, may be culed to organized. But whatever this this groupwas ther was doing these satanic rituals. They committed murder. Youknow e every crime, rape, cannibalism, every disgusting thing Yo can imagine,is alleged here and, and they seem to be doing it, they keptit saying like they would do it for power and they would have to kill thesethings for power and or these you know, kids for power n stuff like that. Soit's it's very messed up, but it does sound like it's. Not they at least had some type of you know a ritual or magic framearound.What they were doing so they weren't just randomly killing people. They hada reason that that you know they thought so as these kids, babies andyoung young children are being sacrificed and tortured and stuff.Floretta said that the halt members would wear black clothes with upsideown crosses on it, and the one of the leaders always had a long Black Capewith gold rings shaped like a skeleton head, and she said that that man waslaurence e King, Larry, King, the guy that sang the national anthem at theGOP convention, and you know what you know what else the there as an expert from the FosterCare Review Board. Her name was carrol stit and when she had the reports fromLaure's case worker, she said during the Franklin Commission that the girl'stestimony appeared highly credible and she went before the board on Decemberninene thousand nine hundred and eighty eight. She said one of the things thatyou want to keep in mind as horrifying is this is when you review it, is thatthis girl is very concrete about who was president these homicides? What washappening the day she gave in a lot of specific information and in workingwith children. One of the ways you know that this is not a global fantasy isthe more details. They give you the information given to the hospital staffand to the Omaha police by Laure Smith, overlapped and corlaborated. What wasalready in the hands of the authorities from the children from the webhousehold and from somebody else named Margo Georgio and her daughter. Sothere's three separate cases that were all involving pornography, child abuseand ritual murder that this girl's details didn't contradict in any way.They corroborated evidence that the authorities already were looking at,and so the foster careere youboard and their child psychologist ended up agreeing that this girl was actuallytelling the truth, and you know the newspaper or the city and stuff likethat. They tried to quiete it down and make it look like these were lying kidsand that this was all sactanic panic, but there 's some reasons that peopleshould look at it and at least do the very basic investigations intoseeing. If what these kids are saying was true or not, but they didn't noyeah. I thought that was really interesting, that TAT's an expertopinion that based on kind of the hallmarks thatthey look for when they take the testimony, because that's you know partof their job there taking testimoney from kids. You know I'm sure severaltimes a year at least- and she said this one stuck out there. Her is atleast being an honest testimoy. Now, whether you know devil's advocate, theywere just a traumatized. You Know Pickdom that made up memoriesthat Shewas so young and didn't know what to do with them or it. She tolt a tode you e way it wasshe fell. It was true and a corroborated information. They alreadyhad fom other children and you know, like Crimiil, conspiracies of adults,have told human their stories straight yeah, so for kids, doll, be kind ofsaying the same thing, even the guys, like involved in White, water and stuff,couldn't keep it straight and yeah. You know what they're saying to is. I readanother report from a Cha psychologist about this and they're saying that whenchildren make stuff up, they have to have an understanding of what they'remaking up, and they didn't believe that this girl at this young age could knowas much about satanic rituals and things like she did at the evidencethat she gave them wile. It's hard to believe thatsomething like this could be happening. It seemed to fit- and I think thinkthat might be where we're going to leave this episode and our next onewe're going to get even closer to Johnny Gosh, because out of this case,there also was somebody named Paul Banashi. That was another kid thatstepped forward and reported having been abused and things, and he claimsthat he was actually present for the kidnapping of Johnny Gush. Now, that's good.

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