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Why Johnny Can't Come Home: Episode 3 The Franklin Cover Up

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Two years after the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch another paper boy disappears in West Des Moines. The police don't seem to have any idea what is happening or what to do about it.


While the search goes on for the missing boys a lurid, mysterious scandal begins to take shape in nearby Omaha.

This scandal will contain shocking allegations of kidnappings, sex trafficking and even satanic ritual abuse by prominent politicians.


Could this scandal contain any clues as to what happened to Johnny?

Find out on Invisible Ships

In the nineteen s. In the early s Omaha, Nebraska and de Moin Iowa seemed to be hot spots for the disappearance of children. It was a scary time because kids started to vanish while they're out doing things children are supposed to be doing, like ride in a bike on a hot supper day or delivery newspaper. Johnny Gosh is just one of the many kids from that part of the country who went out of their homes and never returned. He wasn't the only missing paper boy in Iowa. He wasn't even the only missing paper boy who delivered for the Des Moines Register. Because the local police department seemed to be either incapable or unwilling to find Johnny Gosh, his parents hired a team of their own private investigators who followed every lead they could get. Still the trail appeared to have grown cold. It wasn't until nineteen eighty eight, a full six years since Johnny had last been seen, when they got a huge break in the case as a LURD and mysterious scandal began to develop in nearby Omaha, Nebraska. It's a web of intry that starts at our holy of holies Boystown Nebraska, one of the most respective institutions of the United States and spreads out like US Spider Web Washington v See right up to the steps of the nation's capital, of steps of the White House. Involves of the most respective and powerful and richest businessmen of this United States of America, and the centerpiece of the entire web is the use of children for sex and drug dealing and drug couriers, compromising the Politan, the compromising of businessman the worst of all, the corruption of institutions of government. That has to do. you a responsibility to make sure these things ever happen. That was John De camp describing what became known as the Franklin Credit Union scandal and later the Franklin cover ups. Can Let me explain? This case started out as you're running the mill investigation and missing money, forty million dollars to be exact, and then the case kind of turned into this hideous thing all about the dark and perverted world of child abuse, drug dealing and even satanic rituals. Everybody that was involved seemed to be protected by very powerful figures and politics and business, and it turned out to be a very dangerous case to investigate from late nineteen eighty eight, with the case first broke up, until mid nineteen ninety one, when they shut it down. At least fifteen people associated with the case, either investigators, alleged perpetrators or even potential witnesses, died sudden and sometimes violent deaths. Welcome back to another episode of invisible ships. Tonight we're going to continue our discussion about what happened to Johnny Gosh and we're going to be talking about another case that was breaking around the same time that has a lot of relevance to what could have happened to Johnny. Just wants you to be aware, though, that there's going to be some pretty dark stuff they were going to be discussing. This has to do this case has to do with ritualistic satanic abuse, and it's upsetting to say the least. So, listener, discretion is advised. In Johnny Gosh's hometown of West Den MOINE, they seem to have a problem with paper boys disappearing. This is the corner southwest fourteenth in high view where the newspapers Eugene Martin was delivering were found. It's believed Jane Martin was abducted Johnny Gosh was not the only paper boy to be abducted. In fact, he wasn't the only paper boy that delivered for the Des Moines Register to turn up missing. Jane is still missing and police really don't know any more now than they did then as far as finding out what happened to him making arrest. Yeah, about the first day we knew as much as we think as we do know now about what actually happened and who did it. There are those who say it's going to happen again, just like it happened to Johnny Gosh and Jane Martin. A kid will just be gone without a trace. Beverley Fisher, five TV news. Don't you think it's a little coincidental that to newspaper delivery boys in the same town were both abducted, never found, nobody know nothing to just disappeared. They vanished off the face of the earth. Yeah, and I also think it's coincidental that the police just kind of we're not being helpful in then investigating these cases. Giants case started to stall out and it just seems to be a recurring pattern and all the cases that were we are looking at in this kind of vast conspiracy that the police always seem to final weights just kind and not thoroughly investigate these cases. Like, for example, just after Johnny's disappearance in Marine spotted a story that have been published in September of one thousand nine hundred and eighty two, about two de moine girls who have been forced into prostitution in Omaha Nebraska. So obviously this is days after giants appeared. She connects the dots and calls Orville Cooney, who was the chief of the western Mooine Police Department, and he just refused to investigate any link. He just would not even humor the idea. So he stole the water right away, which let the marine calling a press conference to make her story public and and it ultimately resulted...

...in the ghost family receiving death threats for their warrnt stomaching waves. And she gave up on the police department and hired her own private investigator and ended up, over the course of time, hiring a few different private investigators. Yeah, that's really bad. You cannot defend the police department on this. They seem to have stymied every effort to find this kid and the other boy too, and you know when the parents looking for Johnny Gosh, the way that the police seemed to just kind of stimy every effort, waste every lead. It's no wonder that the parents decided to go ahead and hire their own private investigators. I believe a lot of this on the chief of police in West de Moine and how he acted so indifferently towards the disappearance of Johnny Gosh. It was like he didn't want him to be found. Yeah, well, we already talked about he jumped on the picnic table with a bullhorn until I want to stop searching. It was just a runaway. Yeah, he was drunk. He got up on that pig table told all the volunteers of the Gosh has had assemble to help them find their sunny go home the kids. Nothing but a damn runaway. And look at that. It's a today like. Imagine if this happened now, hopefully there would be amber alerts and all that manhunt for the car that reliable, credible witnesses said they saw, not just the paper boys but a forty year old attorney that was coming forward with information that it witnessed the car talking to Johnny. And here we get nothing. We get this real laidback, wait and see approach. But I think there's more. I think that somehow somewhere there was corruption the police department. But when you're talking about how norhene goosh found out about those girls that were kidnapped and that were forcing a prostitution Omaha, everything about the story for a while now it was going to center on Home Maha because there was some dark stuff there and it's kind of the dark center of the story for a while is going into Omaha. And I think you know what I'm referring to when we're talking about Omaha, right, yeah, you've got to be talking about the Franklin credit scandal, right, the Franklin credit unions can yep, Yep. About six years after Johnny was disappeared, all hell breaks loose. It's a hurricane of scandal blowing up in Omaha. What do you know about the Franklin Credit Union scandal? Well, you know, at first glance it looks like kind of the run of the mill and besment, embezzlement scandal that unfortunately happens that financial institutions. It was a credit union run by an upandcoming Republican in in Nebraska's name was laurence e King Jr. Real interesting guy, lived a very lavish lifestyle. They it's strange, just kind of hard to find any pictures of him, which, if you're wearing your tinfoil hat, starts to get you thinking. Especially won't find any pictures of him with any politicians. But he was a writing star in the Republican Party. Like I said, he actually sang the national anthem at the repulicanvention in one thousand nine hundred and eighty four. But people, the irs especially, took notice of his lavish lifestyle and he was audited and ended up going to court foreign investment. But during the time of the trial so much darker rumors and accusations started coming out against him, involving basically sexually molesting and hurting young children. Yeah, and before we get into that darker side of him, when you say lavage lifestyle, I think, if you don't know anything about this case, that that's a giant under estimate. I mean like when you really hear about how you live like, and that's what I like about this case. It's just that there's so many twist and turns to it and there's so many larger than life fascinating characters and he definitely was one of them. He's kind of, would you say, like not your stereotypical midwestern Republican, to be ans right. And when we say larger than life, he he, he. Truly wasn't. He was truly large, like I don't know exactly how tall he was, but he's always described as very tall. He had like a really nice gotee. They kind of just framed his mouth really big. He's very flashy dresser and there's actually an article in the Washington Post from from this time period when the trial was actually going on, before I was resolved, and they said, basically, you could say good stretch of dollar, he had two apartments in Omaha and a place in Washington DC. Is Omaha. Penhou said Fiftyzero just in furnishings. He actually had a rent a crane to bring his custom make couch into his penthouse. So we have to rent a crane to get a couch into your penthouse, you're doing okay. And the funny thing is he was only supposed to be making a salary of sixteen thousand dollars a year, but he had a Mercedes Benz were seventyzero yet catillacs been about ten km month on limousine service and Tenzero a month. There was an especially fragrant, especially fragrant thirteen month time span where he spent about a hundred four six thousand dollars a on floral arrangements. These are s numbers. I mean think about what inflation is now. There's that's a lot more money. I...

...mean that was a ton of money in those especially on a sixteen thousand dollar a year salary. But this guy was he's a black Republican. He was part of the National Black Caucus for the Republicans. He was, far most accounts, homosexual. There is a lot of evidence to support that. He was a drug dealer and he's involved in a whole lot of weird stuff that kind of comes out later. He was connected kind of high open the Republican Party, wasn't he? Yeah, well, I mean, like it was mentioned, he had that place in Washington DC. He was vice president of the, I think the Black Republican Council, the National Black Republican Council. He would hold events before like the Republican conventions. He I think he actually sang it too. Two of them he for sure say out one of them. He did. He's saying at eighty four and eighty eight. And Gentleman, the chair now recognized his larnch King Jr, a member of the Nebraska delegation for the singing of the national anthem. Yeah, and he had a pretty good voice, a little, little foggy kind of deep voice, but so he when you hear the crazy, I shouldn't say crazy, but when you hear some very detailed and scandalous allegations against him and the name dropping of some really the highest level of politicians, you can't outright discount it because it's if you want thing to say, Oh yeah, Bob Bob Smith took me to a party and George Bush was there. And but Bob Smith has no connection, as you just don't care. But we say Lawrence King told me to a party where there was sexually abuse miners and George Bush was there. We know that Lawrence King New George Bush at least enough to meet you know. Yes, well, they can't totally wash their hands of him and pretend like he was somebody that they didn't know he was. He was at, like you said, he's sang it both of the conventions. He was at a lot of different functions for both Reagan and Vice President Bush, and he was known to have his parties on his house and Mbassy row DC where there would be high ranking members of the Senate and Congress from both parties. So it's not just a Republican thing. There were Republicans and Democrats, all kinds of powerful people and his circle that he was connected with. When they questioned his landlord because he did not just have like we said, he had two apartments at Omaha and the guy that was renting him the pent house, he said later on that he couldn't figure out how this guy had so much money, but that he named dropped all these powerful people, so it just figured that he was extremely well connected. He was also probably paying for apartments for other people. That kind of came out, and not to go too far onto this story of just drop a little bit, there was a guy that was going around trying to take photos of kids and he ended up being pretty inappropriate and probably producing illegal pornography with kids, but it turned out that he was this guy, laurence e King that we're talking about, was paying for his apartment and he just there's so many ced people that he's connected with. But Laurence e King was a man that was pretty well known to children. One of the first clues that this guy king was involved in a lot or darker stuff came from a teenage girl. We're going to call her Nellie, and Nellie was adopted by a couple named Mr and Mrs Webb. The webs were pretty close friends with King, with Mr King, and that could kind of explain how they were able to live a lavish lifestyle too. So not just laurence e King is living way bous means, but so were the Webs, because the webs made about the same amount of money and they had twenty Onezero Chandelier in their house. So is well over Mr Webb's annual salary just in Chandelier. You know, all this information that we kind of have about Nellie and her her sister Kimberly gets mentioned, to which they were the adopted children of Mr and Mrs Webb, who were friends with Laurence e King, and there's allegations that laurency king paid them kind of for use of the children. But all this information that we are both referencing comes from a book by John De camp called the Franklin cover up child to be satanism and murder in Nebraska and he has interviews with the Nebraska Department of Social Services with the kid with I'm glad that you brought Mr to camp up because I wanted to talk about him too. So he's not just a nobody. He was a state...

...senator in Nebraska. He was a Republican, so a lot of the people he implicates in his story are Republicans and he doesn't have a political motive to do it. He was also high up as a deputy assistant to the director of the CIA for years. He's a well connected guy and he ended up becoming an attorney and he was passionate about trying to stop these kids from disappearing and realize that they had a real dark problem in his State and he tried to fix it and he did the best he could. But this poor girl, Nellie, was adopted by the Webs, like you said, and she was both physically and sexually abused by her adopted family, which is a tragedy. Started when she was nine years old. She said that Mr King, laurency King, would sometimes call the webs and inviting Nellie or her stepbrother joey to parties that he was hosting at girls town. Lawrence King was on the board of both boys town and girls town at Ohma Nebraska, so he would call the webs and tell them to have one of the kids ready in a few minutes and he would show up and take these kids of the functions. And these parties were not probably what you would imagine a boy's town or girls town would be hosting as a party. It wasn't just punching, pizza and moving night. There was drugs and alcohol at these parties and there were adults, a lot of strange adults at the parties, and a lot of times there were also prostitutes. And just to because this is that boys town and girls town, which is a Catholic basically kind of orphanage but really Nice Center for youth without parents, HMM, and they're having what it was, struggs and sex parties there. Yeah, something I was supposed to support the kids and help them was all unfortunately, being totally misused. I'll let yeah, I mean, I mean that was the mission, right, that's the stated mission of Boystown and girls town to help these kids. Yeah, I mean, allegedly there abused true, I don't want to get to they can. You can say what you want. No, you're right, but we're going to tell the story the way that she is telling it. But these, yeah, it's alleged. So Nellie, and there's another girl named Kimberly, said that at these parties they would meet other children, boys from boys town, and the girls were able to pick out some of these boys by looking at boys town your books from three, eighty four and eighty five. One of the boys she couldn't identify an the books. But it actually helps to coaborator story because he had quit boys town but he was still connected with King. So that's why he didn't show up in any of the your book photo. That's going to be Brent, right, yeah, yeah, right, so, but I think that that adds some credibility to restore the're not just pointing in a year book and making up people, brands, the names. A name to remember, though, because he's involved on the most scandalous of the allegations, that the midnight call boys at the White House. Yeah, that would be the one where and yeah, I'll wait till we get to it. Okay, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. But you need to stay with this because there are a lot of crazy developments in the story. So Brent was flown from city to city, sometimes on Larry's private plane. The Guy that made sixteen thousand dollars had a private plane and he would take this kid, Brent, two places and who knows what they were doing. But at these parties there were prostitutes and sometimes there be about twenty kids total. The men would drink in do drugs and sometimes, when they fell ready, they would take out a fifty or a hundred dollar bill. They would whisper something to Mr King and then he would go upstairs or to some other part of the House with one of the children, Nellie and Kimberly bolths. Of the prostitutes told them to give half of the money to Larry and they could keep the other half. Larry was pretty generous, especially to the boys, and a lot of people that know about Larry King said that he had a very unhealthy interest in some of these younger boys. So he would buy some of them ours and throw them laverish parties to but this girl, Nellie, talks about how the sexual activity in this parties wasn't always even behind closed doors like sometimes they were doing it right out in front of them, and there be couples engaged in both, like heterosexual and homosexual sex, and it just it has to be insane. Yeah, especially the place that's supposed to be a safe haven for kids. It's it bottles the mind to think, is it. Now I will be quick to say that I don't think everybody at boys sound girls town, because they're still active today. It's still a thing. I don't think they're all involved in this satanic child molestation called there were going to be discussing. No, but it bothers the mind how many of them there must be to buy off, to get in, to be able to do this. Are Just enough people to look the other...

...way it because he's so powerful. It's just it's astounding. Yeah, and the way that I was approaching the story to end was I didn't really think of this as being necessary. And the indictment on them, it seems like particular chapter was hijacked by some evil people. That's kind of the way that I'm looking at it and at this time and place in Omaha. It was allegedly completely hijacked by some evil people with some really messed up mindset. Yeah, although I'm not gonna ignore the real bed that there is a very public child sex scandal in the Catholic Church that was broken by the Boston Globe. So true, you know, there's we're not accusing everybody, but there's some suspicious patterns and all this stuff and there's all these connections that to some type of national kind of ring. And I think that you raise a good point too. So if you wanted to is just dismiss this out of hand and say that these kids are liars, just like you mentioned. Think about that. You know, that Boston story prove that there was a lot of sex abuse and a lot of cover up and that people that could have stopped at knew about it and they actively hit it. So that maybe what was happening here to that somebody could have stopped this but they chose not to. But now I thinking. Sorry, but I just must say I do think in some ways there there's a connection between those stories and that was just kind of just imagine. This story was told, I think, a decade before the Boston Globe broke, or maybe two decades before the Boston Globe Brooke the Catholic Church Story and they were all treated the same way. Just that's crazy. That couldn't happen. That's crazy. There's no way could be that widespread. And then finally one group of journalist decided to look into it and break the story open. So it lends credibility to the story. Let's move on this guy, laurence king, or will just start call him Larry King, because he's referred to that as a lot of times, as Larry King, but he's absolutely not the Larry King that hosts talk show. It's a totally different Larry King, but it's funny if you picture him that way. I'm sorry, yeah, no, I'm sorry. This dude, Mr King, Larry King, laurency King, is a freak. I mean he was married, but I think he had a lot of crazy extra marital stuff, including with allegedly younger boys, and just a lot of weird taste in the bedroom. Right. Yeah, there's a lot of allegations against them. If you have a chance to watch the documentary conspiracy of silence that was produced by the BBC and is originally supposed to air in the discovery channel, but right before was supposed to premiere they mysteriously pulled it. But it's out there on Youtb can watch and they interview a couple the alleged victims and the one guy said Larry would basically drug, drug him up and make him do so many crazy things, including whoop on him, and it's just so disturbing. So if you weave acations Lawrence, he king just basically like to I think I had a lot of a lot to do with power with them, like he just liked to have sex with whoever and whatever you wanted. I'm there's some some foul things that don't want to talk about and they say he did. But the craziest thing, the craziest thing. A lot of times he would be at a party with national political big wigs and go upstairs, great somebody, and then come back down and he's doing the party. I'll like you, just like Nanch on, lie after a rape. Come back downstairs, man, look for the radors or whatever. Yeah, yeah, it'St was crazy. He was weird. It was a bad guy, but he took the girl, Nellie, so she's a teenager, the one that was being abused by the webs and everything. He took her and his wife and his son, PRINCE ON TRIPS TO CHICAGO, New York and washing DC, starting when Nellie was fifteen years old. She actually missed like twenty two days of school due to these trips. She was taken along under the guise of being prince's babysitter. She claims to have met Vice President Bush, saw him at some of the parties that Larry hosted at his home and DC. At some of the parties, and Nellie says it was all just get a bunch of guys, and George Bush would sometimes of ten. So would be older men, like the high powerful politicians, mixing with young guys in their S. Nellie also said that she had seen sodomy committed at these parties. At other parties during Larry's trips, Larry had the local prostitutes coming in their twenties and s to entertain his male guests. And at these parties Nelly said that every guest had a Bardi guard and some of the men were wearing guns. She said all...

...the guests had to produce ID and running through a machine to verify that the guest was who they said they were and that they were actually invited. All the guests were first down before entering the party and you know, George W Bush comes up in another part of the Franklin Fair when we're talking about the midnight call boys. Right. So we don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but we keep kind of dancing around and I call boy. And also I don't want to get way ahead of ourselves, but it's not just coincidental to me that it's President George Hw Bush to not Ronald Reagan or George W Bush. George Hw Bush once the head of the CIA, a member of scalm bones. He's as connected to this weird ritualistic magic stuff as anybody. He's into that evil CIA bullshit, for sure. He is such an interesting character. And you know what else is weird is DM if, if we're kind of playing with the idea that Jeff Gannon could be Johnny goosh after he'd been molested and Mk alted and everything later on, like it would make sense that they would pull him out and use them as a little prop to help baby Bush at a press conference. You know what I mean, right? And don't forget that Jeff Gannon was working as a highly paid prostitute for Washington's elite right before he was made to pose as reporter at the White House. And it's not like George Hw Bush wasn't still around. I mean he just recently died yea, though, who knows? I mean I bet he was even like, from a totally non controversial standpoint, I'm sure he called in favors and stuff to help his son haven't a better time of it as president, because he had all the connections. So I would not be surprised at all of the JEFFGHANIC connection came from the Bush family needings and help. And going back to saying allegedly, if any of this stuff is allegedly true, and I hope that Bush isn't hell, because this is some evil, dark stuff. And this was all reported by Nelly to Child Welfare people and the Child Welfare People reported it to law enforcement agencies by March of one thousand nine hundred and eighty six. There was plenty of paper trail that she had given to the child with Welfare agencies and they had given to the police, and the police or the FBI or whoever gave any care, cared at all about kids, could have looked into this. Like the diplomatic security service logs, which are what she was describing when the guests come in and show their information and swipe it through the machine that she was talking about. Those logs could have existed, they could have been subpoena, they could have done something about this, but they didn't. The law enforcement officials, just like with Johnny Goosh, just as like in that little town of West den Moinese, they failed to pursue any leads or fall any clues, to do anything that could have helped these kids. They chose not to. They could have stopped this. You know, it's upsetting. Every time I read about this or hear about it, I get upset because that's bullshit. I know, I agree. They allowed the trail to go crold. I did want to mention, though. Yeah, that not the last time that George Bush's name comes up in the story, and it's also one of the allgations was added a DC party that George Bush was at is that he paid, I forget this, some of money, some some of the money he paid to take Brent, that boy that Nellie knew and dude who knows well with them. So that's yeah, one of the augations about the president at the are the vice president at the time. Now would probably be also good time to mention that there is a picture of George Bush senior, is a younger man. Is clearly a picture from the late s or early s at some kind of function that he's wearing a suit and tie. It looks like a formal function and in the background there's a kid that looks strikingly a lot like Johnny Gosh. He would have been about thirteen or fourteen by the time the pictures taken. Kids On't identified in the picture in a but whoever the child is in the photo, he looks a whole lot like Johnny Gosh and that's the age Johnny Gosh would be at that time. Yeah, really it would be. He would be about that stad age at that time. And you know like so, if you add that up, it kind of makes sense in a weird twisted way that these boys that were kidnapped from West de Moine we're never found dead or anything like a lot of child ductions and up with a body found somewhere at some point. And we didn't find that. We just found kids that completely vanished. We know that this guy, this character, Jeff Gannon, is using a fake name. I'm not so. You know, we're saying that this is all legend. Not. Jeff Gannon does not admit to be in Johnny Gus. She says he's not, but it kind of it just kind of makes sense. I mean if he was him, if he was kidnapped and using this kind of child prostitution and had this t traumatic stuff happened to him. And then later on we're going to introduce some MK Ultra characters...

...that were floating around on the outskirts of this working as a prostitute and later, later, at years, living in DC area. Like it all kind of a weird twisted way. Starts at up, but what we keep seeing over and over again is that nobody that could do anything about in this stuff cares to look into it. The county prosecutor back for Nellie's case where she lived was a guy named Patrick tripp and he also seemed to not believe Nellie. He called her a liar, even though she passed for lie detector test. Nobody was indicted, so the parents that adopted her the webs. They went free. Larry King got invited back to seeing the Star sangled banner a second time at the Republican National Convention in one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight and I was kind of the end of her saga. But now we're about to get into something that's a whole lot weirder. That involves Lawrence King and they're called power meetings with Satan. And this is where it's getting good, pretty dark. We're going to be discussing some of the claims of ritualistic satanic abuse. Think there should definitely be like a listener discretion warning here. Yes, some of the stuff is some of the stuff is bad. Doing the research for this one and reading all about this and listen to this, it just puts you in a dark mood. So if you're sensitive to this stuff, or I think pretty much everybody is sensitive to this stuff, you might not want to listen for a couple minutes. But also, I mean what I sometimes I think we just will just kind of get the broad strokes of what's going on. If you really want to know that, the nitty gritty details, the Franklin cover up, like John De Camp, he lists, he list everything and it's just unreal disturbing stuff. So we'll get to as we talk. So what we're talking about is more kids. Now, more kids have stepped forward and these kids were brave. They passed polygraphs. They were interviewed by child psychologists who were initially, we're, skeptical of their claims. So they didn't come in with bias in favor of believing this. Kids actually kind of had the opposite, where they were prepared not to believe what they're saying. But after hours and hours of interviews and interviews with the authorities and stuff, a lot of the child psychologists involved came to believe that these kids couldn't be making the stuff up, that what they're describing actually happened to them. They didn't up. The local newspaper, though, the Omaha World Harold, from trying to cover for king and his buddies, they ran a headline titled Satanism. Lots of talk, little proof, and they so the problem was not an epidemic of Satanic Abuse, but rather America is witnessing an epidemic of concern over Satan and his minions, belittling it, especially among adherents of fundamentalist Christianity. So they just completely try to call these kids liars. And you told me something really interesting about the Omaha World Herald. What was that? When when the Franklin kind of party scene started up alongside the scandal with the sex parties. They said there was three ring leaders to it. One was obviously Lawrence King, one was a guy named Allen Beer who's at department store, a millionaire and in Des Moines, and then the third person was a man named Peter Citron, who is the celebrity calumnist for the newspaper there, the World Herald. So there is a connection there. How many celebrities are in Omaha? I'm sorry, I don't know why they would have a celebrity columnist and freaking Omahana rescue, but go ahead, quarters of steak having. There's probably a lot of celebrities there. And this Peter Citron guy ended up getting arrested for sexually enlisting two children. So you know he's definitely if he was someone's going to be involved in these type of strange sex parties, it would be him. So I don't know who wrote the article that you're referencing, but you know I've discussed to that if one of the purposes of because that's the thing that always just gets my goat on this things like what is the reason for all this other than just like illicit pleasure? Of just depraved people. But like I think part of it is to get compromising photographs and blackmail and politicians and and then if, if your scheme starts to get out there in the press and it's too late to kill the story, the next best thing is to make the story look silly and kind of flood the market with so many similar stories as disinformation that it kind of gets tuned out and can be rushed off as the satanic panic. And I kind of think that they might have been playing defense there because the story was starting to get out. And going back to your your role of dark magic that you you mentioned in all these episodes where they have to make it known that they're they're doing their trick on you. It just yeah, those Alice, Sir Crawley. Yeah, all was your Crawley has something called Lesser Magic and it...

...magic doesn't work unless you tell the people that you're doing it. So who knows what type of you know, maybe it's a mass in the siation ritual and they need it out there. I know that's just crazy talk, but who knows? You study this case, you're already knee deep into some crazy stuff and there's more coming down the pike. You know, I've been thinking about the brass cut, like why is it's so weird? Why is it keep coming up? And there is that off at Air Force Base that has ties in Caltra, which will get to. But as also thinking like if you were trying to traffic humans across the country. ALMHNABRESKA is an exactly dead center, but it's pretty it's just about yeah, especially it's a little further to the east, but there's more populations to the east and there's, you know, less until you get kind of over the rocky mountains out west, and it's probably it's a manageable size. So it's easier to control the media there and it's easier to control the local politicians. I mean probably a lot harder to do it in Chicago or New York La if you wanted to own all the media and control it. You know I'm saying. Yeah, and just like you're dealing with in Omaha. I don't know how many cops are on the police force, but definitely not like mypd or something where you'd always it'd be easier to manage them, keep the detectives from being on the right trail or shut down investigations that you don't want to see come up. Sure, kind of would make sense. I mean a weird way that they would choose that. I'm pretty sure it's a decent it's about half a million people there, but it's like Milwaukee size. But still, I probably would be easier to kind of get to know the right people more quickly. Who knows what it is. It's just really it's just it just weird that it keeps coming up and I had no idea how weird Omaha was and just there was also at this time real exclusive club for the top people in the city, like the onny commissioners and the mayor and stuff like that, and they had these weird photos of the release of their club, of them all dressed like Egyptian women and dressed in weird ritualistic costumes and stuff. I mean Almaha was creepy and weird, especially in the eight s and nine I don't know what it is like now. Always thought of Almah has just being like a boring corn place. is also was a girl that was named Lauretta Smith and she claimed that she was also at some of these king parties and that King would hold parties again at the North Omaha Girls Club where the leaders, both men and women that were leaders of the club, were engaged in photography of new children. She listed doctors and lawyers and she said that they all were using code names and that that she couldn't get any of the real names of individuals. She says that the adult leaders who took the photos used threats against her and others to get them to participate in these photographic sessions because the kids were hesitant to do it, and she said that, I'm multiple occasions she was told that her entire family would be killed if she refused to participate in those activities. If these take on a bit of a different turn, like you said, from the original Lawrence King, because laurs king was it was violent, de Rayed and everything, but I don't remember threats against the family stuff like that. Made the families maybe theoretically, were more willing with Lawrence King, but this seems a little bit more organized and violence. And you know they she reported that they were doing satanic rituals as well and they would give them something to drink that she said was they would say was apple juice, but she thought there's some type of drug in it and they would. They would gives her and tell her get right their rooms going to spend and then she lay yeah, let me get into let me set that up a little bit more, because this girl, Lauretta Smith, went to the police and there was a police report that ended up in the Franklin Commission. It was dated June thirty of one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight, so right at the very beginning this thing, she talked to somebody named officer Carmen and Alfuser. Carmen wrote down a lot of what she said in the report, obviously, and the main gist of it, though, was concerning child pornography, but there's a lot of mentioned also of this devil worshiping activity that Larry King was a big part of. So in Eighty Eight lauraa Smith was put in a hospital for a while to because of all this trauma and everything, and she trusted her doctors and nurses enough that she started to reveal even more details in the police were interested in that and she provided a lot of information of this called activity, include eating, witnessing a homicides of several young children, and again she mentions Larry King being involved in present during those. Yeah, on August nineteen of eighty eight. The hospital notes indicate that Loretta was asked...

...to give a chronological account of the involvement in what was described as a devil worship being called and Loretta agreed to do this and she indicated that she didn't really know what was happening at first because she became very involved very gradually. That kind of sticks out at me like that gives it a little shade of realism and I think also kind of gives you an idea of sort of how they agree in these people. So she was really on at this time but able to like leave her house and leave these places to go do what she wants. So maybe probably not the most stable home life and she basically, it sounds like these guys like learn her in and she kind that they were partying and they started out. They just hang out and like abandoned houses and smoke a joint. And these are all men in their s and she was like fifteen or younger. But yeah, I think it started when she was like more like ten or eleven. So and the guy one of the guys are talking about is somebody named Ray who supposedly was working for the Girls Club and Homaha, and he would take her and other girls on what was called Girls Club outings, and one of them was at an abandoned building. So of course you're going to take the girls from Girls Club on an outing to an abandoned building, because that doesn't sound weird. And they would sit around and talk and an abandoned building and Ray would give them marijuana joints to get them high, and she said that like they would gradually ease them in like this. So this will go on for a couple weeks where you go to an abandon building and smoke pot with the leaders from the Girls Club, and then you'd start going to parties and stuff with them. And she said at the Party there would be about ten men, all in their mid S, and they would sit around. Initially they wanted to talk to the girls about their problems, and part of that maybe to get even more power over the girls and more information from them. But she, Loretta, was also saying that as a people got wasted in the men of the party would make them sleep around and that the girls didn't have a choice of who they slept with. So they're basically being sexually abused and had no say in what was happening. So for a while there Loretta was done with the Girls Club and she stayed away. It's kind of hard to understand why she went back. It'sat I mean it sounded like she wasn't really messed up through no fault of her own kid and kind of thought maybe she wanted to go back by she sounded pretty messed up about it. But then then talk about they they started taking the girls to what they called power meetings and they candles and did weird stuff. They're like more ritualistic. Yeah, so the power meetings definitely sound like now they're getting directly introduced to real satanism and like there's mad black magic and drugs being used, and that's where I think that she was given the drink that you were talking about that they told of the room was going to spend when she took that drink. Right this. So this happened a couple months later after she had been already kind of initiated, smoking pot with these guys tell him about her problems and stuff. But at one of the power meetings she was taken to another abandoned building in Omaha and she was locked in a room with a little girl which was a little infant. This is hard to listen to, but about midnight the men came into the room and they took the little girl away and told her that she could achieve as much powers she wanted by killing something she really loved. And Loretta described that. They cut the little girl's head off and stuck it on the wall and made her sit in front of it. Right, and this is where I gets in the stuff that we don't I don't think we need to get to the details, and I think that's I mean, that's so disturbing and horrible. And basically, they mutilate the corpse and they do all kinds of weird things and they try to make they make her do weird things to it and when she refuses, they beat her. Yeah, and based it basically it ends. They they left her locked in the room with the girl's body for twenty four hours and during the time all she could hear where girls screaming the other rooms. And then shortly after that they came in the room and told her she passed the test and took her home a couple locks away and let her out and one of the people that she claims that she saw at this satanic ritual. Murder of an infant was her school principle, which I don't know what you would think is a kids so hard to find somebody that you can talk to. Look, if you go along with kind of the theory, it makes, you know, sense. The leaders of the community, they're all they're all corrupted and who knows how kind of insidious this called is in the power structures. And then there's also cannibalism that comes up. Not going to go like you said, we're not going to go deep into details, but that another one of these meetings. This girl, Lorett A, claims that a little boy was sacrifice and that the girls that were there were forced to eat...

...part of his body that was fried and and that the girls were forced to eat it, which is just it's so messed up it's hard to think about if these kinds are if these kinds are true. This called, because there's no other word for what this is. I mean, maybe called to organize, but whatever this, this group was, they were doing these satanic rituals, they committed murder, you know, every every crime, rape, cannibalism, every disgusting thing you could imagine is alleged here and and they seem to be doing it. They kept saying like they would do it for power and they would have to kill these things for power and or they you know, kids for power and stuff like that. So it's it's very messed up, but it does sound like it's not. They at least had some type of, you know, our ritual or magic frame around what they were doing. So they weren't just randomly kill people. They had a reason that that you know, they thought so, as these kids, babies and young young children are being sacrifice and tortured and stuff. Loretta said that the cult members would wear black clothes with upside down crosses on it and the one of the leaders always had a long Black Cape with gold rings shaped like a Skelton head, and she said that that man was laurence e King, Larry King, the guy that's saying the national anthem at the geop convention. And you know what, right. You know what else? The they has an expert from the Foster Care Review Board. Her name was Carol stit and when she had their reports from Laura's caseworker, she said during the Franklin Commission to the girls testimony appeared highly credible and she went before the board on December nineteen, one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight. She said. One of the things that you want to keep in mind, as horrifying is this is, when you review it, is that this girl is very concrete about who is president at these homicides, what was happening the day. She gave in a lot of specific information and in working with children, one of the ways you know that this is not a global fantasy is the more details they view. With information given to the hospital staff and to the Omaha police by Lauros Smith overlapped and coroborated what was already in the hands of the authorities from the children, from the web household and from somebody else named Margot Georgio and her daughter. So there's three separate cases that were all involving pornography, child abuse in ritual murder, that this girl's details didn't contradict in any way. They corroborated evidence that the authorities already were looking at, and so the foster care were you board and their child psychologists ended up agreeing that this girl was actually telling the truth. And you know, the newspaper of the city and stuff like that they tried to quiet it down and make it look like these were lying kids and that this was all satanic panic. But there's some reasons that people should look at it and at least do the very basic investigations into seeing if what these kids are saying was true or not. But they didn't know. Yeah, I thought that was really interesting that that's an expert opinion that based on kind of homemarks that they look for when they take the testimony, because that's, you know, part of their job. They're taking testimony from kids, you know, I'm sure, several times a year at least, and she said this one stuck out there. Her has at least being an honest testimony. Now, whether you know devil's advocate, they are just a traumatized, you know, victim that may eight up memories that you so young they didn't know what to do with them. Or if it she's telling a j the way it was, she fellow was true and it corroborated information. They already had other children and, you know, like criminal conspiracies of adults have told him in their stories straight. Yeah, so for kids to all be kind of saying the same thing, even the guys like involved in white water and stuff couldn't keep it straight. And, yeah, you know what they're saying too, is I read another report from a child's like Ale, just about this, and they are saying that when children make stuff up, they have to have an understanding of what they're making up and they didn't believe that this girl, at this young age, could know as much about satanic rituals and things like she did. At the evidence that she gave them, while it's hard to believe that something like this could be happening, it seemed to fit and I think think that might be where we're going to leave this episode and our next one we're going to get even closer to Johnny goosh because out of this case they're also was somebody named Paul but Nash. That was another kid that stepped forward and reported having been abused and things, and he claims that he was actually present for the kidnapping of Johnny Gosh. Now that's good.

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