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Why Johnny Can't Come Home: Episode 2 Vanished

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

On September 5th 1982, 12 year-old Johnny Gosch vanished into thin air while out on his paper route. In the weeks before his disappearance the family received "wrong number" phone calls almost nightly at exactly 1:30 am.


In this Episode we discuss some of the details around his mysterious disappearance.


Over the course of the next few episodes, the mysterious case of Johnny Gosch will lead us on a twisting journey through the seedy underbelly of America. Far from being just an isolated missing child case, this story has tentacles that creep from the lowest depths of human wickedness to possibly the highest office in the land.

Welcome back to another episode of invisible ships. Tonight we're continuing our discussion on the mysterious disappearance of Johnny Gosh. If you haven't already listened to the intro episode that we made for this, I kind of sets up the whole case. I recommend you go back and listen to that. It kind of sets up our theories, some of them about Johnny Gosh and how he may actually be somebody else now, a guy called Jeff Gannon. But we're going to continue where we left off and we're going to start discussing the abduction and we have some theories about that as well. So excited to have you with us. Let's explore why Johnny can't come home, and to do that we need to go to the very beginning, all the way back to one thousand nine hundred and eighty two, to the night before Johnny Gosh's disappearance. At the ...

...edge of the endless and gently swelling corn fields of central Iowa lies the affluent suburbs of western Moyne. It's your classic midwestern hometown. It's full of Nice homes and golf courses, but, yeah, it's somehow it managed to still keep a little of its small town Norman Rockwell charm. Everything around it is filled with a sense of life regulating normalcy. From the outside, I everyone seems safe and trustworthy. This is a place where nothing ever happens. On Friday September three one thousand nine hundred and eighty two, the Gosh family settled into the cramped high school stadium to watch their older son play football. Around halftime, twelve year old Johnny decided to spend a little of the money he had made delivery newspapers on some popcorn from the concession stand. When he didn't come back, Johnny's father, John Goosh, got up. I went looking for him. He found Johnny under the bleachers talking to a Weston Moynes police officer. Nothing bizarre about that, nothing frightening about that. Apparently everything was fine and Johnny joined his family and they watched the rest of the game.

They all went home together. At about thirty in the morning, the phone rings and Johnny's father picks it up. And this is one of the stranger things about this case. This had been happening for several weeks, going back every once every week, usually on Saturday night, the phone ring at about thirty in the morning, John's father would pick it up because the phone was on his side of the bed. Apparently it was a wrong number. That's what he told his wife, norine, every time. But on this particular night, Noreen remembers that her husband, John says okay, yeah, and hangs up. He reported to her that it was again a wrong number. Sunday September, five and one thousand nine hundred and eighty two. Johnny had gotten up before the sun rise and was hurriedly getting dressed because this was turning out to be one of the last warm weekends before real fall would set it. Johnny decided he could still deliver the paper wearing flip flops. As long as he brought along a white sweatshirt to wear until the Sun could burn off the chill, he would be just fine. He went to the garage to...

...retrieve his wagon and he left the House with grudge and the family's miniature docks and riding in the back. Everything about the scene was totally normal. The only thing missing from the picture was Johnny's father. He usually went along with him and helped him out on his route, but the night before Johnny had asked his parents if he could do this route on his own. His mother, noreen, had said No. She was Adam it. She did not want him to go on his own. So it's not exactly clear how johnny made it out of the House without his dad that morning, but we do know that that morning Johnny went alone on the paper out and he never came home. Listen to his mother, Noreene, described how she found out that Johnny was missing. The next morning the phone rang a little before seven. Some of the neighbors didn't get their papers, so we just assumed that Johnny was running late and had just gotten up late. So my husband went out to try and help him on the route, and that's what he found. Johnny's wagon sitting at the street corner with the paper still loaded. He had not even cut one bundle and he was gone. And we knew something terrible...

...had happened. Our Son was a very responsible boy. He did not I mean he was there for his row. Had A perfect service award for every month he had it. He wasn't the type to skip out. John Senior, like Noreen mentioned, went out and looked for his son and he also ended up finishing his paper route which is a kind of strange detail to this, but I don't think they knew what else to do. But when he gets back to the home, you know Johnny still hasn't showed up and there's no sign at him. They'd be they're extremely worried. They decided it's time to call the police and according to Noreen, it took the police over forty five minutes before they arrived at their house, even though they're only ten blocks away. Because we go through this case you're going to see how law enforcement, in particularly the local police department, seemed like they were more of a hindrance to the investigation. The Gosh is weren't just content to sit around and wait for the police to come up with something and find their son and they took the initiative themselves and began talking to the neighbors and finding witnesses, and...

...he became very clear to them very early on the Johnny being kidnapped. Some of the neighbors had reported seen a man in a blue Ford fair amount talking to Johnny. One neighbor a guy named John Rossie. He is actually a retired lawyer. He was a credible person. He said he saw Johnny giving directions to the man in the car. And this is what also makes Mr Rossi such a great witness, as that he had an encounter with Johnny and the guy in the car when he saw Johnny giving this Guy Directions. Johnny wasn't exactly sure where he was trying to go whatever, so he asked Mr Rossie if he could help him give directions. Very strangely, when Rossi came out to talk to the man, the guy just sped off. Did quit, you turn, tore out the neighborhood blue through stop signed. Is like he didn't want there to be any witnesses to him talking to these kids. That is extremely suspicious behavior and it's one of the things that right away, you know, it made the parents think that this was probably a kidnapping. The police totally different story. They insisted that Johnny was a runaway. They did not want to pursue this like a kidnapping in any way. They did...

...not put an APB out for this car when they're probably was still time, you know, if they notified all the local departments and stuff, somebody maybe could have intercepted this car and stop this kidnapping. In the early s, the police responded to missing persons cases a lot differently. They had kind of a wait and see approach unless they saw clear and, you know, indisputable evidence that foul play happened. In fact, the parents of Johnny Gosh had legislation proposed and changed later on and because of this, that there's no longer any type of mandatory waiting period or anything before the police can just go all out and search for a missing child. Okay, let's talk about what has happened so far in the case. Johnny goes out and does his paper router nor and realize that these that something is very wrong because by seven in the morning she's getting all these phone calls from the people on his route saying they haven't received his paper, and first she just thought that adio overslept. She sends her husband out to go look for her song and he notices at the...

...corner of the street they find his wagon with the paper bundles all up there, still tied up, and their little docks and standing next to the wagon. He realizes right away something's really wrong and for whatever reason he sighs that he's going to finish. The kids were out, but you think that's kind of strange. It's so weird. And especially what's the docks right there? It almost sounds like he just missed it happening. The papers still their way and still there, and the docks, and didn't run home or chase anybody, just said right where it was. Dogs don't generally, I wouldn't think, staying one place too long if it's not their home. So that's strange. And what's your first instant to be run down the street, run, run around, Yell's name, see if he's in the and the vicinity. I mean, even even if you go with the dad is innocent and it's s and people didn't think kidnapping right away. Like you'd still want to know...

...where your it is when he's not doing what he supposed to be doing. So well, I'll just do your job for you. But I mean, I guess he knew that something was really wrong. By the time he got home, Johnny still hadn't showed up. So when he finish the papers and they decided to call the police. Now a Rene says it took the police a total of forty five minutes to get to their house, even though they're only ten blocks away. Those the very beginning. That an indication that the police were not going to be easy to work with on this one, and they proved to be difficult the whole way through. But while she was waiting for the cops to show up, she called the newspaper and talked to like the guy that was in charge of distribution, and he gave her the phone numbers of the other boys that, you know, were delivering papers that day and she called them one by one and had a chance to talk to most of them before the cops showed up. And there was a guy, I don't know his name. He was a sixteen year old, so he's one of the older paper boys, and he said that he saw Johnny talking to a guy in a blue forward and this guy was asking for directions and Johnny gave it to him and he drove off, and then he said that when...

...they got to where the paper drop was, that guy had circled back and was asking the other paper boys for directions and Johnny said that like already told the Guy Directions. It's creeping me out, like I'm just going home, and he left at this kid, the sixteen year old paper boy, so he saw somebody else walk out from between two houses and started following Johnny. Another paper boy said that they heard like two people get out of a car at door slamming in a car just taking off and saw a blue car peeling going real fast around a corner. Same blue forward. So right away, you know, there's some indications that there's a kidnapping. And one of the most interesting people that came forward, and this was a couple days later when the police weren't doing a very good job. They didn't even put ABP out for this car like they they didn't handle this, they didn't take this seriously at all, but they put it. They talked to a retired attorney named...

John Rossie who lived in the neighborhood and he also said he saw Johnny talking to a guy in a blued forward and that Johnny actually called the retired turning over to give this guy directions. And when the guy, John Rossie, this attorney, came out to talk to the guy in the blue car, he did a quick you turn, blew through a stop signing got the hell out of there. So it's like he didn't want to be seen. That is so many, like you know, indications that this is a kidnapping. Right. Yeah, did the attorney see another car or did he just see the blue car? He saw the blue car. John Rossie actually went under hypnosis later on to try to remember as many details as he could about the case. The apparently the guy in the car was trying to find eighty six street. And this is what the guy said when he went under hypnosis, that a guy shut off his engine, open the passenger door and swung his feet out on the curb right where the boys were assembling their newspapers and he started talking about where it's eighty six street. Johnny turned to Mike and said...

I've got my papers load in the way and I'm scared. I'm getting out of here. I'm going to head home. The man pull the door shut and start up the engine, but before he left he reached up and flick the Dome light on three times. Then he pulled out and left and another paperboy talks about the Dome Light flicking to and that's when a guy walks out from between two houses and starts following the Johnny home. So it's it's organized. I don't know how many kidnappings of children are done in groups of people. Want not just one Weirdo, right, because usually you're thinking like the lone pedophile or something like that. Yeah, so that lends to the whole, you know, kind of Illuminati sex called thing. And then I wonder if Johnny got nervous up quickly because he recognized him as the policeman he spoken to the night before. That's a hum acting strange and street clothes. Just speculation, but the guys can out as it's justified, though, because the police acted so weird through this whole thing. You know what I mean?...

There's sold so many red flags for there to be a kidnapping, and yet they don't want to investigate it like a kidnapping. They won't put out the ABP for the car. When noreene organizes a search party later on the chief of police gets up with the bullhorn and tells everybody to go home, that the kids just a damn runaway. He just was so hard that they saying they were not working with them. And in one thousand nine hundred and eighty two, you know, when the police responded to disappearances, it was usually like he's probably a runaway, he'll turn up later. But because of law legislation proposed by Johnny's parents. They change that so that the police have to take it seriously handle it. It's too bad it took, you know, him being kidnapped and whatever horrible things happened to him for this to happen, but they got that law done. Yeah, one silver lining, I guess. So the police anyway, were completely unwilling to investigate this like an abduction and they insisted on searching nearby woods and they were looking at any theory as...

...long as it didn't involve kidnapping or looking for this car. And you know, other members from like the state patrol and the county sheriffs in the neighboring counties. They're try to help but were sent away by the police and the police did everything they could to kind of stymey their efforts and it really became just fell on the shoulders of, you know, Johnny's parents to lead this investigation, which ended up with him being like the first kid to be placed on a milk cart and like local dairy producer and stuff, felt bad about what was happening and really wanted to try to help the family, so he said that they could print his picture on the milk cartons. That so that's the way there. I'm I always that that was a little bit random that they be on milk cartons. That's that's kind of cool. Yeah, it was the presocial media way of getting stuff out there. Owins it. Maurines a pretty impressive woman. Yeah, I mean, you know, you can't...

...underest some at a mother's love like she was unwilling to not do the best she could to find her son. Yeah, that's cool, but you know, there's so many weird things that we're going to be talking about in the next couple episodes and I think we could all just safely say, though, that there is this wasn't just a lone pout of file, that this was more organized in a more planned you know, we're going to talk about the phone calls, that the that were the wrong numbers, that were showing up at the house and and maybe even kind of look at the father a little bit. Yeah, this is this is a missing person's case, but it's just the tip of the iceberg of a much wider conspiracy that goes beyond you, the unfortune disappearance of one child. Okay, guys, that's it for this episode. Join US next time. We're going to continue with the Johnny Gosh Saga. We're going to continue looking at a lot of the strange stuff it. Believe me, it's going to get even weirder. We're going to...

...start talking about the MK Ultra and a lot of the other weird stuff that ties into this. And you're not going to believe how many people are implicated in this poor child's kidnapping. So make sure that you be there for the next episode. Thanks for being with us. You guys all. Take care.

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