Invisible Ships podcast
Invisible Ships podcast

Episode · 4 months ago

UFO Disclosure or Deception?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The truth is out there and so are the lies..... 

By now almost everyone has heard that the U.S Government is expected to release a report this month on UFO sightings, how they are being investigated and what the U.S. military is going to be doing about them. We never thought we would live to see this but it is actually happening. In fact, the Defense Department has already declassified three videos that seem to show strange craft that move erratically and at times even seem to defy physics. 

So what does all of this mean? And more importantly, how can we trust the government after 70 years of lies, coverups, and secrecy to suddenly start telling us the truth about UFOs?  

For this episode, we invited our friend Fred from the Podcast Chronic Curiosity to go over all of our hopes and concerns about what the Government's report will and won't tell us. We get into some pretty deep stuff everything from quantum mechanics to New World Order PSYOP and what all of this has to with the UFO phenomenon. 

Time for the invisible ships podcast,where we talk about everything from true crime to a truly weird, invisible,tions podcast. I wanted to have an open and honestconversation about the seven hundred and eighty and you know it's a hundredand eighty- that the government is doing about its UF project and to dothat, we wanted to invite our good friends from the podcast, chroniccuriosity and half of them have agreed to join. It Tony couldn't make it, butwe have fred here and we're really excited to get into this. If you don'talready know chronic curiosity is one of our favorite podcast, it's sometimeshilariously inappropriate, but a lot of times, it's very very deep. It talkedabout everything from big coin, to the nature of reality, usually whiledrinking a whole lot of Bourbon, which I totally approve of, and they have aninterest in fos that right, we know in respect to so what they needed to behere. So Freda you with us. I am so you know guys. It's almost June, thedirector of National Intelligence has, until June twenty fifth to produce anunclassified report on everything that the government knows about UF. You guysexcited about that excited, sereine, Ting right said for a lot of black highlightedyeah. You think there's going to be a lot of reactions in that yeah. I thinkso. I mean I'm really interested to hear what her, what you think Fred, butmy kind of realistic expectation is one or two nuggets of really interestingthings, or maybe just acknowledgments and then a bunch of redaction. You know,I totally agree. I think it's more of a like. Like the government typicallyoperates, it's they'll give you one or two nuggets ofsomething buried in a million pieces of nothing yeah. That's my that's! Myprediction: I've this feeling that they're usingthe AP or the UF videos. I feel like we're all about to be part of some kindof Siope, and it's so weird to me that I trust the government more to lieto us than to tell the truth and like when the government is lying to me likeI feel. Okay, like this is the way that is supposed to be right. I don't expectthem to be truthful with anything, especially national security stuff, butlet me jump in real, quick to lay a little bit of a foundation, becausethis is one of the places where men rackabe button heads, but I think wefound some common ground. We both agree that at least some of these videos areauthentically unknown and not just easy to explain a we're going to jump intoit, and so it's not just a Si up, as in the CIA, is making up these videos likewe think they're are at least a handful authentic, more than likely alien, I'm just goingto say, or at least crazy, advanced technology right. We all agree on thatyeah. You know I'll I'll jump in you mentioned the podcast that you guyshave been on that we do crit, curiosity and just to kind of to tie that in I havesomething a little bit to throw out there for you what you guys havementioned, but you know we, like you mentioned in the beginning. It's youknow, we look. We Klook for open and honest and just kind of conversationright and that's that's just it, no matter what it is, we're just lookingfor conversation and good conversation, because so many times these days you get we're surrounded by social media and sowhat that's, thousands and millions of people just screaming at each other allthe time, and so what good are you getting out of that until you can sitdown and talk to somebody, you know what I want to find out. You know whatthey know or what they think or what they feel whatever you know, and I kindof see, as the government kind of is like an oldschool social media, it's just a bunch of people screaming at each other. Theyhave no idea what they're talking about. No, I mean so I think, when we consider the the government and putting up this information is, youknow often times. I think people give the government too much. Yes, I've beensaying that first ready a respect or maybe not maybe not too much credit. No,it's too much credit yeah government's, not one guy. It's a thousand hundredthousand different people and a lot of these videos are disgruntled peoplethat are leaking it because they're pissed that the government isn'taddressing this. So yes, I think the government is never going to waste acrisis or whatever or an opportunity, but there's some real meat on thesebones that, I frankly think is more interesting to talk about for sure.Absolutely and that's and that's the thing is, you know: is the government telling us the truthor they or will whatever it is they can? Finally declassify? You know that's whoknows, but I think that's one thing. The first step is to understand thatyou know when we're talking to we're talking about what the government'sgiving us as its citizens. Well, you know you made a point there there'sthousands of people in the government,...

...so you can't trust each source orexpect them to have all of the answers, because I mean a lot of if you payattention to politics at all mean a lot of them, probably shouldn'tbe in that position to begin with yeah they're already. So I agree with that. You guys, speakingof that, have any idea just how many employees are in the Homeland SecurityDivision of the government. I'm going to wate yeah go a go ahead friend, I'm a guess. Eight thousand, my guess is fivehundred thousand okay. So it's two hundred and forty thousand, which, whenI saw that number I thought that was unbelievable. So I mean that's just one part of the government. The new was deslike the newest part of the government too yeah. It is the newest part of thegovernment like what, after nine eleven, but they are responsible for probably alot of stuff that has to do with UF and that's how you called out wasting onOpportunity. Nine eleven you get a new branch, the government, exactly I justrealized, I brain farted and Forgot Space Force- is the most recent and ofthe governor, and I know everyone likes to laugh at Space Force and make fun ofit. But it's so apropos I mean it may have more to do with. What's going onwhat we're about to find out, then we realize at the time of its creation the reason that we invited you fred,chronic curiosities, because we appreciate your style not only of beinginterested in all things, because you guys really are a very broad podcast,but that you believe in you know just it's important to have open dialogue,and you know you know you know your stuff like Ye, but when we were there,I don't even know if it get made your podcast but you're talking about theGraham handcocks and you know, give me all the people LosAlzando yeah, like you, know your stuff. So this you know this really kind of hit theground running in like two thousand and seventeen December to thenand.Seventeen is when all the stuff really started, releasing the trickle that isbecoming like an avalanche started, and so I know you've been on top of all ofthis, and just before we dive into like Rick hassome great questions that he came up with, but before we dive into what isyour overall kind of thought? Unlike you know, I'm talking about the ticktech video is the recent Jeremy Corbel videos from the Omaha and all that likewhat are your thoughts and all of it yeah you know. So that's that's a goodgood starting point there, because you know I kind of look at things. It's kind of the reason that podcastgot started was you know. I look, I think, from a curious perspective. Youknow for my entire life, I've often got yelled at for asking questions andsometimes because you know I'm asking my boss why we do something this wayand they take offence to it, and just I just want to know why you know ifsomebody says a word that I don't know which Tony a guy of does he's a espectin Er andknows all he knows a lot of big words, but you know I'm always just curious.So I like to approach you know in my. In my my mind, I'm always thinking Ilike to answer questions with other questions, because you can't find anymore out on this you're asking questions, so I think one of thebiggest things with the whole alien thing is. You know whether, regardlessof what it is, you know what's the what's out there and we've obviouslyhad all of these people that have seen something or have a story,and you know I don't believe them all by any means. I've met plenty of peoplethat you know have some strange thoughts. So you know not all these stories aregoing to be true, but there's there's something happening that that somebodythat we can't explain you know and now that the the government, as came outand said we can't explain this either all right.Why isn't this getting more and voice to it like? Why are more peopleconcerned with this, like just the implications that, even if it's aliens or whatever it isthat there's something out there that we don't understand? What's going onyeah, I know, I think the the scariest thing would probably be if it's in their country are the military implications for ourgovernment, and why are they choosing now to be honest with us, as opposed toany time in the past? I think so, just robe. We know why now becausemockery, who you know, I'm not as big a fan, butthat way and another guy put into the caries act that they wanted. They givethem a hundred and eighty days to release this so credit to them. We'regiving this release because of them. That's why that's happening the handsforced and I think overall, as far as all these videos coming out andeverything and everyone having you know like some of these new phones like thenew I phone on the new Sam Sunday, like...

...these amazing cameras, like everybody,is a camera, so everyone's recording the shit, so their hands are forced andnow what they have to prepare for is when they say they've, already kind ofsaid it like with Fred of this same they've, already kind of said. So theoverton windows already shifted that government saying yeah. There are thesethings they're doing things that and according to German Cor Villan Georgenow we've tried our anti drone technology on and it just doesn't workso there's these things. They can swarm our battle ships and do whatever thehell they want, and we can't do anything so. Basically, the US militaryis no longer the most powerful military force on earth so that changeseverything might still be the most powerful in Earth, but not in theuniverse. Those things now those things aren't right: Colter Calina, coastes onEarth, a scary does make fun. It is part of Earth, but I think even thatthey may not. Even so, this may be getting a little off topic, I'm really good at that. So, if youguys, you guys may have to keep me on topic. If you want me on top you'reasking the wrong guys, yeah Oumas may not be a military thing. You know thesethings that are out there. They could. I I'm I'm one of these people that Ilook at something that can't be explained, and I like to something that can't be explained isreally exciting to me, because then I can think about all ofthe other things surrounding that thing. That can't be explained either. You know whether it be things inscience. Like you know, when scientists started seeing anti gravity and darkmatter and anti matter, and you know they say well they're there and you askhim well what is it I don't know, but it's there, okay, so now we can speculate now wecan have fun with an idea and say: okay, what about this? What about that? Maybeit's aliens. Maybe it's! You know China or Russia. Maybe it's you know a blotof people say: Oh, it's! Probably our own government just messing around withthis. Well that doesn't make any sense, because why would they mess around withtheir own crew and then pretend like it? Wasn't them? And I don't. I don'tbelieve it's us. I think that would be silly, but what if it's it could be entered dimensional now,there's that theory out there too, and maybe it's not extra tressure. Maybeit's intra th ultra is the one I like or Altra. Oh yeah, altra terrestrial. Ithink that's what they call it yeah. So there's a lot of theories out therethat I enjoy looking at these things, because it's just because there's alack of evidence doesn't mean that lack of evidence proves that there's nothingthere m. It just means that we just haven't figured out what that evidenceis. Yet when you raised a lot of really cool points and that it brings to mind.I found this this website and I said it to you. I've sent in to a millionpeople and I just talked about youps to my family and they walk out of the room,and I keep talking. But there's this website called: U AP Theory Com andit's from a purported astrophysicist, an he says, he's just still hasn'tdecided whether or not he wants to put his name on it and he doesn't claim toknow anything. But what he said was watching all these videos. He thoughtthe only thing crazier than aliens coming to Earth would be an aircraftviolating the laws of physics on Earth. So he said these aircrafts have tofollow all of physics and the way that they move and the acceleration speedsand change the direction and no exhaust porter wings, and all that. The onlyway that makes sense is if basically, they are constantly in a free fall onthe geodesic curve of like time space so like the way that astronautsfloating zero gravity or the way that a baseball floats in the air when it'sthrown it's falling adodus curve and the way astaras feels your og whoever'sinside these uapes feel zero g and that's how they can go under water andspace and our air as they kind of have a bubble around them. So I recommendeverybody check out. Yep Theory Com, but like they're talking about like howhe will link to that on our web page to so, and it's basically is involvingquantum gravity and basically it's Manipulatin quant of entanglement usingdata transmitted through light, which is why they put out light and why theyseem to have this bubble around them. That distorts the air around them andobjects behind it, but, like the quantum gravities relatedto quantum mechanics that we use in computing every day, so it's not evenlike out of this world so, like I feel like there is the beginning of anexplanation for this, and like this theory I mean it explains how track orbeans work count of visibility. Cooking would work, but it's it's nothing. China's doingit's nothing. Russia's doing like Russia is the economy size of Italy. AD like I know, they're smart and I do respect Russia because they have likeyou know they, like Rick, you were saying, like they've, always had greatrocket scientists and all that stuff. They're, no dummies, but they're notlight years ahead of everybody else and China is either China would haveinvaded us. Yeah, like you, said, Timon woulddefinitely, I want to questionabout who tire on belongs to Fred. Do...

...you think any part of you think thatwhat is out there what people are reporting could be from anothergovernment that is in the US yea. So I think you know. I have acouple of theories that I don't necessarily whole heartilybelieve any of them, but I have a couple that are ranked you know it insome kind of fashion in my mind, and that's that's definitely ranked towardsthe lower end. You know, like I said, a most people that if I can't prove itwrong that men, then I can't prove it right or wrong. I can't get rid of it.I always make the joke that you know. I don't know that the earth is roundright or spherical. Rather, you know, because I haven't seen it for myself. Ithink it is, and I believe that the e you know the hint I'm not a flat erther no offense to those that are but I'llgive you the way to prove it when the up goes into the water more than twelvekilometers out from you, and you can't see it at the water, that's the curatorof the earth. I never thought the Earth was flat, but two thousand and twentytwo thousand and twenty one are making me re. Think everything of you pos arereal. Are we going to find out that ghosts are real next door like he knowslike what the next disclosure is going to be, so I'm not saying anything forsure any longer, but but I do think you know can broughtup a really interesting. He threw a lot out there with that length. There is alot is goon that link yeah. You know, and I I look into the stuff a lot. Ilook because I'm just I look at a lot of things a lot and you know I'm not aphysicist. I am by far from a quantum physicist. You know, because that's oneof my favorite lines with quantum physics and be mechanics is, if youthink you understand it. That means you don't understand it. You know that's part of the Carr. Ithink you've seen the our chronic curiosity shirts withshrowding ers can, yes, you know the resemblance of Quantum macacus and it'sfascinating yeah, and particularly when he was mentioned, you know the thegeodesics it's an. Maybe this is just me having fun, but it's reallyinteresting. You know what he was mentioned there is. You know when alike, when a space station is orbiting the earth. You know, I heard US explain once andit was. It was really interesting to think about that that this pace stationisn't going around the earth. The space station is trying to move in a straightline and just like when they watch rocketsup in the space, is they long to o? They launch them straight up, but then what they do is they angle themsideways, so they can get that the inertia in that movement toactually break out of you know that that stronghold of the atmosphere andearth gravity and then as as they're orbiting the Earth You SOTHERIN, thatzero g or that you know this, our age environment, where they're feel likethey're floating, but really what they're doing is that space station orwhatever it may be, is it's going in a straight line, but it's going astraight line fast enough or slow enough, rather that the earthgravity is keeping it at the exact same spot, yea from thecenter of the Earth. I love that's what we think about is orbiting. You knowit's not really moving around the earth. It's just moving fast enough and slowenough that it's not getting closer to the earth or further away from itanother isolation. I've heard I supposed to say real quick is, ifyou're, in a drop top convertible, going like sixty miles an hour andyou're, not buckled, and like you jump up and land back down your seat, youhow come you don't fly off into the road, it's because you're you're movingwith the convertible, like your you know like so your I don't know ifit totally applies when it's that whole idea like what what you're talking about. Isthat harnessing the forces of kind of nature and inertia? It's pretty cool. Now, if you were now,if you were to stand up on the back of the convertible staying up in the backs,I stand up in the back seat and jump really high. You might end up off theback of it, but if you do that, like in a bus, you know what I mean. That's anclose environment yeah, because you have that movement. I E Josepe. Remember that you put a dime on yourknee yeah. I always heard to kill some body you inthat yeah er, not be all enough for that. As an old to Cain. Before I satin Cedar Point with the Penny or dim on the demon drop and we always try tocatch them right before it went underneath, butthat's the interesting thing about some of the stuff is when I have anothersaying that I like to say, I'm sure I heard it from somewhere when considering these crazy thingsthat we used to think were crazy is that the experts are always wrong, andI know it I'm using very general terms...

...and loose things here, but throughouthistory the people that were considered experts during your time haveeventually been proven wrong. Yes, not be not because they were trying to be wrong or they were stupidor whatever it is just as we grow older and our civilization and technologiesincrease. We continue to get smarter and we get you to learn more. So wecontinue to sin. A sense prove ourselves wrong. Now,there's things in like physics that have kind of held fast for a long time. But what do you consider along time because physics have only been around for what two hundred years hundred fifty yearsor so? Well, you know it's interesting like what we're talking about now. Youmentioned orbiting and stuff like this you're going back to Newton and thensome of our understanding about further was further. You know specified byInsin, like new knew. He didn't have the whole picture and it wasn't untilInsigne, where he really kind of understood what the play was betweentwo masses and he figured out the whole space time thing, but even new orEinstein realized that we didn't have the whole picture, and so whateverthese UF or u APS ardly, they might be further along on understanding thatwell in what's really cool that you bring up- and I don't even know if youare doing some purpose, but so Newtonian physics, you know which whatwas I I definitely was not thing enough attention school, sixty hundred Fifer,a d, Six hundred, something like that: Yeah Yeah, I ma s two hundred a hundredfifty years. That was grossly wrong, but it's only been a couple. HundredYear we've been studying physics, I geological so you're talking aboutastrophysics or atropus and, like theory, relativity and and all thatstuff, but anyways. So New Tonio physics covers like what we can observeon earth M, but it stops working when you get to quantum level, but quantthem physic works for that. But if you look at quantum and start to blow it up,it stops working when you get big and you have to go back to Natona when youget really big that soups working, you have to go to theory of relativity andlike in science physics, and I don't like I stopped taking math in tenthgrade because I just took all I had to do when I was done, because I've notgot a math yeah. I just can lit my bill, but right right, I don't even know howmuch I'm probably ripped off by everybody but like, but it's cool because there is an allencompassing somewhere out there and but all the sides are always lookingfor there's an encompassing theory of everything we're not quite there yet.But we do know enough to know about like the different ways it works thatagain and these people they don't claim that they can build a up and they plainthat they're right. But they're just saying that if their theory works, thenyou should expect to see these things and everything they say. You shouldexpect to see lines up so, like yeah, sorry go ahead. All I want to say isit's to me and I'm becoming such a full believer. So don't worry about me butlike to me that says it's nothing. It's not China, Russia or, like I alwaysthink like it- would have to be like South Korea or Japan, or someone thatadvanced enough to make something great, but like pacifist enough not to attackeverybody but like it's not, it doesn't even come from the evolutionary tree oflike the combustion engine and absolutely and Jet Propulsion, like itsonerously, the anthem, nothing, it's different, I enough engines, I mean howis not putting out any kind of heat signature or exhaust trot like, butit's still real revolutionary yeah. I still real. It's still like it stillhas to adhere to physics. I just yaase time believing that could be anythingother than we're so far behind I don't know if that's just kind of like a perspective that I have as being anAmerican and being used to being a head on, I don't Woo. You tell me that Chinahas a better fudder jet than us like. I believe that, like I, don't believethat they have this technology would revolutionizelife on earth as we know it like yeah. So it's like saying that, like thiscountry has a proposial emotion, you know what I mean like what like weweren't, even close to that. What kind of a? Where is this place? Where that,like they got a way to feed all their villages, water those countries would have would haveused it to their advantage. At this point, I do no knowin enough aboutpeople right, so I think I think we can assumea couple of things, and I kind of brings me back to what you just saiddue to that. The idea that this is another country. Well, let me let mesay this first, you know I think. Well, I would imagine most people that arelistening to you guys as podcast are alreadyinterested in. You know the the strange you know as it were, but I always liketo I always run into to people that still think. Like. Oh UF are crazy oryou know some of these things that are just wild. Well, you know you mentionedrick. You know the different things about the propulsion and there's nowings on these, and you know they move in ways that we can't explain. There'splenty of information out there that, if you're not carrying curious enoughto just look at it and go okay. This is strange. We should be looking at this o.Then I don't want to tell you so we'll...

...cast those people aside, because Idon't want to tell them right. You know if we've ententy all agree that it'snot another country, because any other country would have put thisto use in some kind of way and they would be far leaps and boundsahead of us, so I'm totally on board with it. This is very, very not likelythat this is another country and because of the whole science thing thatwe were discussing and you know bringing in the. I think theoriginal. The riginal reason I was talking aboutthe orbiting with the space station in the gravity is, is, in my mind, it's the the best explanation, and I thinkthis is kind of the the same idea that that link that you share with me kindof discussed was for just a normal person's thought processes. Somehow these things are using well. Mybest guess is gravity as a source of of motion, because if you know anythingabout people that brought up Einstein- and you know their theories andeverything else is you know, gravity and time are intermingled. So you know you get close to a blackhole and time slows down, because the gravity is so great. So you know these that'd be my best guess.If t is another craft, if it's not some kind of you know, interdimensional,ghost or big foot, you know out there with a sashline flying around. You knowthe gravity seems to be from our understanding of our physics to be thebest case scenario and then one of the job. Now you go ahead and I think itgoing back to the you know. The expert are always wrong. Is I remember thefirst time once Aga? I said it earlier, but when I heard a scientist talk aboutlike anti matter and anti gravity and it was like anti gravity, there's noway it's a thing. Well then, now we know anti gravity and dark matter andanti Maner. These are all things now they're having a hard time explaininghim right. But as we move through history- and we learned more and more,we find out more and more that Oh, this necessarily isn't breaking thelaws of physics that we knew were just kind of adding to how we understandthat Ly. We're just changing our magnifying glass to leave. It lookfurther out or look further in, and it's a lot of the kind of commonworking theory on this that comes from this up theory, but Louis Elizondo, hisreference it to they think it's like some type of a gravity, propulsionsystem and basically the way it's kind of describe as like.If spacetime is kind of like a net of interconnected points of quantumentanglement when you're going really fast. Those points are squishingtogether when you're going really slow, they're stretching out. So somehowthese things are using white and some sorts of power, but theysaid the Sersaon have to be crazy. I might be nuclear, but wouldn't be crazyto like manipulate these points in space time to, like you said, usegravity to basically free fall in the direction they want all the time yeahand I think that's an important point to make- is we often think of things we us as humans? You know we don't liketo be wrong, I mean I know I don't ye I've gottenthis. Why I avoid eating at all costs. You know I've got muchbetter as I get older to admitting that I was wrong in learning. You know fromthose mistakes, but we don't like to be wrong, so I think there's a lot oftimes that you know that I've seen educators and scientists.You know those are the people that don't want to be wrong. The most theOlagraph is yeah yeah you'll do graphing, and Ithink I really like it's funny. You bring himup because I really enjoy NELDA grass Tyson I'veread some of his book is his stuff and I've listened to a lot of podcast withhim, but a lot of times. He approaches the unknown very callously and he kindof like brushes it away like. Oh, this is crazy, like you can do what you want,but show me proof. Well, that's just a scientific view. I mean, I don't thinkyou get to where he gets without ego at any level in any industry or anyprofession. He's a genius but he's discounting out when his testimony,like he just discounts that people see these with their eyes, he's trying tosay it's all, not function equipment, I don't see yeah and that doesn't holdwater. It's kind of an embarrassment. I think to him really to say that I just want to go on the record rightnow and say that I don't believe in mass hallucinations really as anexplanation for any of these things either. I know that has been tried alot by the government in the in the past and that never held up. You knowwe just did a yeah unless it happens...

...like during birding man or somethinglike that. I been think couple of those gratefuldead concert or something, but still I mean we could get into a whole otherepisode about like d Mt And different stuff like that, but for the most partlike drugs, we're not going to see the same thing,we'll both be on the same drug and we'll be seen totally different things.I yet can you know what you guys were talkingabout and kind of explain some of the scientific theories and stuff behindthis is fascinating and as we're doing a really good job, an I goin to hate me,because one of the reasons I wanted to havethis conversation is to throw in that the big. What if in that is like what,if we're all being played, and that's why, like? I don't expectyou guys to agree with me and it's not important, but I want to throw somestuff at you guys and you know, shoot them down, feel free to just saywhatever, but there's a couple things I wanted to talk about and before we dothat, I want to say the UF Fred Dan. It'salmost a lot like politics and it's a hard dynamic to get out of because justlike in America, like you, only have two real choices between Democrat orRepublican with UF. You know I mean like they're, fake yeah or they're realin there from space is like so for the long. It's been the only two ways tointerpret them. Only if you frame it from the American M Plan Yeah you'reright, I mean you're going to like a a choice: option on UF people in Indiaand talk to them about it like they'll, be like yeah, we've been seeing thatfor a thousand years, what else is new are like we were referencing a littlebit earlier. If you really open your mind, there aremore than two choices that could be from outer space. They could be fromEarth, they could be from the future. Some people think their feature USvisiting or could be altares trials. Maybe a civilization under water thatjust being going out this way to never talk to us has some shot. I have areally. I have a really good theory that I'd be willing to share with youlater about that as well too. Why we? Why wait? Let's hear I now? Well, I mean it's really long one. Soif you don't necessarily get into it, you know we can get into it. What's asmale point, what the elevator pincers! What's the elevator pitch of yourtheory, so the Elevator Picture d ancient civilizations are older than wethink they knew that natural massive natural disasters werecoming and they were technologically advanced enough to giveus warning signs and protect themselves by living in the ocean o underground,whatever so start of maybe tie into the Atlanta smyth or fame or water, yeahand well kind of in a sense. But I have a reasonable. So this is A. I made acomment, one time that for some of these things I havereasonable ex but explanations for the unreasonable and the person laughed atit and kind of brushed it off and said. You know this. That was just whatever, but I think there's things that you cantie in. It's kind of goes back to. If you can't prove it wrong, then I'm notsaying it's right, I'm not saying it doesn't sound crazy, I'm just sayingwell if we can't prove it wrong and what? If? What? If it's fun to thinkabout yeah I mean is, who knows because I feel like weare at the point aside from so maybe per purposeful contrariant.Everyone agrees that there's something going on, so it's like now have todress where the hell is are coming from, because there's something out there, sothat does open up to well, maybe they're, really like. Maybe it's thedolphins underneath the water, like. Maybe we only see their their stupidcousins and the real smart one you know or the dolphins with sums right, we've never seen you that's cause we're.We have corkins like the we're still mad about flippers yeah bird, a real all right. So let megive us a little bit of structure, so I can come back to the government issueyou're talking about recit. Well, that's all right! You know. I want thisto be an open, big guy. The way that I look at it is it's either. Oupos arecompletely fake and everyone's a crack pot, which does not seem to hold anywater, especially now that we have some pretty credible, tangible evidence tois that it is another government which I think we pretty much largely shot.That down three would be that maybe UF was like the way. I feel thisis that U fos are real in some, not all of them,but a lot of the cases that people have experienced. Fos like are legit. That doesn't mean that our governmentwouldn't purposely abuse that and turn the hopes and superstitions of a nationagainst them or weapon ize them or use them to getmoney. I've been reading a book by Jock or O Jock valley- I don't know if youever heard of him. He invested its all...

...the UF he's a it's a French dude. Hewas actually one of the Er yeah one of the characters. Okay, I butcher mostFrench names, so Shawley screw that one up yeah put the yeah. I got you. I wasreading this book. I think it's called messengers of deception and the way that he looks at some ofstuff is kind of the way that I think about it like he said this stuckout with me is that gufas are real. Their physical devices used to affecthuman consciousness. They may not be from outer space. Their purpose made tobe to achieve social changes on this planet through a belief system that usesystemic manipulation of witnesses and contact es cover, use of various sexand cults to control the channels of which alleged space messages can makean impact on the public, and that sounds kind of long winded. But we knowfor the last seventy five years that the government is buried, hidden,discredited, UO, siting and reports, and we also know that they have notbeen forthcoming with a lot of stuff right like they have lied to us in thepast and they've used it to rob branches of the government. I thinkthat they, my own personal belief, is that they're addicted to usingemergency powers to to grow their departments or to clamp down andcontrol. So I'm saying like what would stop them from using this forthcoming? UF, Odisclosure to say my God, like we have a giant national security threat. Weneed to make new branches the government. We need trillions ofdollars and money that no one could account for, and we need to suspendparts of the constitution to deal with this. What are you guys, thoughts on thatyeah? You know, I think, there's a, I think, there's some validity to theidea. I will go back to the mention of how many people are in the governmentand many of them. You know, I think it's important to understand all thenuances of it, because many of them are, you know, elected every two yearssummer, elected every six years. You know some aren't elected at all andit's just nepotism and crony ISM gone wild. So I think keeping that in mind, you know, I don't think everybody inthe government is- is out to get the citizens now. I ritirando I jump in tolike what we tie of like support our troops right and like, and we support them when they're theirprivates and then when their sergeants and then when they're in the Fi end,then the police, like a what level do we stop supporting them and they becomeevil yeah. I think everyone's a littledifferent. You know, and that depends on how they go out through the system,but I do think you know saying that you know it's hard to getelected in the higher the offices you go. The harder is to go elected, themore money it takes. You know and historically the more pockets have tobe lined in order to get where you need to get. And then you know at that pointyou get there. You have to. You have to make sure you're what you do getskicked back to everyone that got you that yeah a sous at the text. You knowwhat I mean pass out, that porgus dance with the one that brought you to theParty and I think, Danny exactly what you were saying. It's kind of like we're, told tosupport our troops and we do. The vast majority of US know, people that are inthe military and we love them and there are neighbors and brothers and familymembers, and we don't want them to get hurt, but they could also be abused tothe point where it's like. Don't question: Why we've been in Afghanistanfor twenty years? Yeah, no, I know you know key, but I think it's I think. Atthe same time, though, support there, I think there's a very big differencebetween supporting the troops and supporting or not supporting an ideathat involves the troops, I'm more for pointing out the moving target of whenwe support and when we don't, but I'm I'm just gone for Aporia, but thesevideos are coming from the people that we know in men at barbecues and stuff.It's people are saying hey. This was from the ship. This is what we saw andthey give it to these people. Oh yes, it is a perfect, a way to yeah, and youknow, I think, to your point rick. You know just because that these things arereal doesn't mean that the governmentwholesale or you know the powers that be aren't going to try to use itexactly. I I think I'll say this very briefly, but I've obviously done. I ve kept myeard of the ground the last couple of years because we just started thepodcast and you know I got to stay up with recent events and what not you know, I'm a very firm believer thatovid nineteen is a real thing, but that doesn't mean that the government can'tuse it to do certain things. What a...

...person agreed frion hundred percent.Yes, exactly and we've had this in conversation, a lot that cois real butthey're, also utilizing emergency powers and abusing the fear of peopleto gain more control, and I got a crazy theory. Politicians sometimes lie. Are you right or staying all thesethings? Yeah and here you got real full circle, real quick, you know, Ovid was real. The covinbills were real and also what we mentioned earlier that in a coved bill, what we're discussing right now got putinto a cove, build that there's nothing the OS close? U Fos! In a hundred a D,eighty days, man. What would I tie you? Should you could host a Poe, a podcast?That's really good! You sound like you're a I just funny, because I remember wementioned that on one of our shows. It's like what I like. What is thislike? This is the most ridiculous thing like we have everybody. We havemillions of people without jobs, people dying, millions of people, sick and ohby the way we have to release some fo stuff and we're going to give a bunchof money to some other countries around the world all were at. It is my crazythought, so politicians, so you know just real quick just because I think the government isa giant cluster. It doesn't mean conspiracies, can'thappen point in case operation. Northwoods wasa yeah crazy, one that they were trying to do on the fame way doesn't know thatone S, one thousand nine hundred and sixty two is a kind of a proposed falseflag to harm US military and Silian. So civilians with play as right, yeah inErer to begin military invention with intervention with Cuba that wasactually authorized by Jorg chiefs of Staff, but shut down by J, F K and well.You know what happened to a I kind of feel like there was like a three hourbrainstorming session at Langley in, like the late is like you guys, are notleaving this room until there's five hundred different ways to kill Kasredinscuba tank, okay plate. They have so many Wakidi that all are about Cuba andthen the one guys like Kennedy and like yeah. Let's just go, O we're going gym s go with Kennedy. I guess, becausethat's more datable, it's like you, said Rick, you know youhave just on that same lands. You Have Project Blue Book which was in theearly s to like, I want to say around seven one thousand nine hundred andseventy ye you talked about. They recorded all this Ulo stuff. The AirForce was doing and- and I really basically said like Hey- this is not anational security threat. Anything that we've categorized is unidentified. Youknow it doesn't represent techno technological developments that wedon't know about and also there's no evidence that you know of things that we'vecategorize on identified that were extra trashold and now all of a suddenthey say yeah, we don't know what these things are and they can do things thatwe don't understand. But I original project Blue Book, though that was thatdoor Heinecke and he's he recanted sense and said Yeah. I shouldn't havesaid that, like there are things we don't understand, he's the swamp castguy and he went back on it. He said I case yeah the government list right butpoint case he did go back on. He said I never should have. He says Fonca was never meant to be foreverything. That was for one thing so point in case the government tells thetruth after they've exhausted every plausible path. It's like lip. Untilthat Churchill set about Americans, you can count America to do the right thingafter they've tried absolutely everything else act. I don't know if I've ever heard oferisipelatous anything a Winton, Churchill or mark I'm right. I just usethat in your podcast, for just whatever you want or Benjamin Franklin yeah,those are the three guys, so you can feel free to attribute any quote tothem. But I've heard that before too- and I do believe that's an authenticquote. I do it's kind of funny, like theUnited States, is the world's like little brother. You know, because we haven't beenaround that long. That's that's a fun one to look at too for people who haveit how long the United States has been now compared to you know the rest ofthe world. Well, he say who have that man that little kid you have that mapin your studio, which tell you I was fascinated by looking at when we wereguests on your show, the entire time where it shows that differentcivilizations, the impact they have, how long they've existed, and we do have a big footprint forbeing here for a short time, I always say the best thing about the UnitedStates or America, as I call it is that you can't tell same thing like youcan't tell us to do anything, we're just always going to do whatever wewant, like the whole mass hangs like that's, it's never going to work, itwas you callet a hundred miles away and now we're not talking about Ovid, andthis is a political just. You can't not tell Americans what do so. That's whatmakes us great were the NUVER Silicon Valley billionaire of if o our countryhad a personality. That would be what I...

...can kind of see that a little bit just you know, we've got all this power allof a sudden, it's all post war and we're s quickly, losing it to China. Its like I'm, going to buy this Ming Dynasty Vase for target practice,because I can right exactly that kind of stuff. Yeah we're the seems likewe're the adolescence of the world that that when we get caught in a lie, it'slike I didn't I didn't do that like, like I says, will lie until he realizedthat were full on caught and it's like. Okay, we slowly side step out ofAfghanistan like on what happened. So let's talk about that because we'reboth bringing up things I have to do with it like Lu Alesandro in this leakof the UF stuff, yeah, Eis Louis Alex. I now he's part of the to the StarsAcademy of Hearts and sciences, or he was. He was part of the he's back he's back into the government rollright. Does he still work for the government? No, he doesn't work for the governmentanymore, but he was a. He was a I'm like N, say top official,but he was one of the the guys in what d he claim that he was in the CIAthat was doing some different stuff with so a tip or something like that. Idon't, I don't know his full story, but he his whole story is in the seresblower. I think that he might be hard of a manipulation campaign and youguys don't have to agree with me. You want his real, quick wickyparagraph she so Louis Elizondo is a former US army, counter intelligence,special agent and former employe of the office of the Under Secretary ofdefense for intelligence. After his resignation in two thousand andseventeen, which he resigned because he thought they were still among the stuff.He joined the company to the stars as this director of global security andspecial programs until he left in late, two thousand and twenty. So now I guesshe's just a Free Lancer, so feel free to attack, shoot down or whatever. ButI have strong reservations about someone that seems scream spook thatleaves the Pentagon and goes and works for a media company. To me, that seemslike a project mocking ver operation mocking bird kind of set up from theCIA yea. I don't know, I don't know a wholelot about about him in the scenario, but I did have seen some interviews andstuff with him, and you know He. It does seem like a weird scenario, yeaand so like in my mind, you know going back to kind of how I approach thingsis asking questions and I look for the most legitimate or not, maybe not crazy's the word. Not. I don't know the people, the boisterouspeople, you know that are trying to get this out there. You know I kind of lookat what evidence am I getting from peoplelike? I don't know if you ever heard of interviews with Commander David Fraver.Yes, the navy pilot that saw the tick tack off of San Diego Hundred is like ahundred and fifty miles out and then a couple to you a little while, afterthat, another flight team was able to get pictures and stuff. I can't remember it was it was a fleervideo e, some kind of they got some record of it. That's one of the thevideos out there. You know it's hard to listen to somebody that has been a naval pilot as a commander who was acommander for twenty plus years. You know, listen, an anybody that hasn'theard. That story. I would suggest listening to commander David favorsdiscussion with lex Freedman on lex Raven's podcast, because it is it'slong, but it's really it's a great conversation. Any time I listen to LEX.I don't know if you guys have listened to any lex freed and stuff, Oh yeah,for sure, but yeah. So I have to listen to him at like two times the speed Itell people like he's super intelligent. He was an immigrant from Russia. Hespeaks great English, but he just he deals with artificial intelligence andMIT, but he talks so slowly and monotony like I got I to Turk up liketwice his speed, so he sounds like an or person, but I digress. It's a greatconversation, but people like that that you know he's not he's not doing tourshe's not you know, selling it he's he's just telling his story and it's hard to discount. You knowpeople like that, whereas you know someone that seems to have some strifein government and then they leave and then there's some weird things going onthere like Louis alzando Y, a I don't know I mean how much is that could be acover story, though, because we know that you don't just quit the Pentagon,because you're not happy that they're not releasing UF o stuff and then justgo start leaking into the former rock SAR guitar player from Link Hundred NEighty two and put it on Yout I mean I...

...was now dad did that he has to livewith potent and Russia. I just know that we are familiar. We know theoperation mocking bird, where the CIA was going to infiltrate our media andwhat how many media companies are there there's like six people, basically thatrun all the media in the country yeah, and so it's very easy really if youwant to get everyone on board, if you look and I've been going through, I'vebeen listening to the dog journalist and I t I think everyone should listento this guy, take it with the great assault and make your own conclusions,but he definitely believes that this is just a ploy to increase the size of themilitary. And, if he's right about this, though, all the new articles that arecoming out from mainstream media are about our UF Os a threat. Is this anational security threat and they're using nine eleven style language todescribe the UF as when we don't even really know? We know that you have,alas, been around since, like the s O, don't really know them attacking US ortaking down jet liners. So why is? Is All this threat language being thrownaround now? Mark O Rubios using threat language because of what they do there.Where do they go they're always around the military, yeah well, also at at the same time.I'll give you another angle on this too, particularly in the last couple years,if you're familiar with you know social, media and healthing, and so not evensocial me, but just the media complexes and everything else. What what makes a money clicks, your right, the bigger the G,the more salacious the headline, the more clicks you get and u should besalacious enough. You would think I'm honestly bored people blaming the mediajust watch something different. If it bothers you, Oh yeah, no, it's! I don't think it. Itnecesarily bothers people. It's you have a choice, yeah! Well, that THYpeople get caught up it, its fear and Salaciousness, and a lot of peopledon't realize you know what it's doing to them andwhat they're getting sucked in you know, I'm I'm guilty of it myself, eventhough I am aware of you know being on social media and scrolling, and youjust being sucked into it. I still do it. You know it's. I get much better atit now, but if you, if anybody is familiar with, you know, you go on lineon twitter, whatever it is out there, there is so much like anger andfrustration, and just hatred and people are just back and forth to screaming at eachother all the time. Well right, ICES, O or some some of Em,I think, are people. I there is a full room of people in Saudi Arabia. Justyou know have, with thirty different accounts, trying to spread Papa Gama.All for sure you know, I think people get suckedinto it and all these I think a lot of Menie compans are just trying to getclicks so they're trying to you know, but I think there is some kind ofdriving force of you, know, fear and sex cells. My PSA,it's everybody and I think a lot of people internalized. Don't trust thenews, don't trust the NAN. Don't trust Fox News, which is good, O, don't trustthe government, but that doesn't mean trust the dude on Yutu, Oh yeah, the only thing, especially the lastcouple years, he's a dark journalist. AHII will purposely if I find someonenew to follow or if I fight like you know a journalist or a news outlet, Iwill purposely find an opposite opinion of them. I do that too and follow themas well. We might be the only people that we that we don't need to. What youneed to is find the original source. That's all you ever have to do, but Imean I ever this case. The original source is a former counter intelligenceagent, whose dad was in the CIA. Who is telling us that he quit the Pentagonbecause he was unhappy about disclosure and is now the mouthpiece for leakinges. So I'm right, but it just so o with a bone to grind. You think they'regoing to have any more information than that. I mean how much o. How do we know?This is not a cover story. We don't you have to be comfortable, but youknow we don't you know and that's and that'sthe thing you look at all right. The best thing we can do is look at all theoptions you know like we've discussed all right. Well, we don't think it'sother countries, we don't think it's is. We don't think it's that these are thetop ones were looking at and then all you can do is sit there and go okay. Ithink it's either. The government is trying to scare us it's extraterrestrials, it's alter terrestrials, it's this! It's that what is it? How Red You guys? All youjust take the knowledge you have and go from there. I like to read you guyssomething about why I just can't get on board with worryingabout whether or not the CAA's tricking us with CGOO, whatever it's like. Ifyou go back, one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine you know like these videos aren't fake.You were witnessing these and I back in nineteen ninety bells in militarythere's. This triangle is at in an I start on thousand nine hundred andninety n n e t, eighteen, the early s I...

...and what these these things were. They were going from a hundred feetabove the ground to a hundred and ten thousand feet above the ground in mereseconds. Then back down to a hundred feet, then going off a radar becausethey're going so low, they're being chased by F sixteens by helicopters,the Belgian military there's interviews out there and they're moving in waysthat would like literally melt things that we own, like the things that wemake well in, I one thouand, nine hundred and eighty nine China wasn'tdoing that H, one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine you know like Russiawas he doing that Russia was collapsing. China was crossing over he terain YeahTenement Square and had a army that was probably most of their air force andstuff was from the S and s at that time. No, I think, like I've been saying thewhole time. UF was a real, I'm just afraid that now the mouth pieces andare the people that were lying to us, the whole time about it. How we knowthey're not going to play on this and use it for their advantage. I thinkyour point is noted, but, like let's wait till they do it, then, like, let'stime with the pose okay. Well, let me ask you guys this that if UF Os arereal, do they have some kind of arrangement with the government I meanlike. Why do we have to let them drop this like? Why don't they just gototally around our petty earthline governments and go straight to thepeople or announce their presence? That word, you sound like malion me of that government with the interaction that was recorded with theschool children in Africa. Yes, that's probably o way that John Mac recorded.Can you tell us about it, though I mean I don't know. All I know is fromwhat I recall. I don't know that much details about it, but there was. I wishI remember the year up the top of my head. I don't have I don't remember thes late s early S, I believe yeah, it was. It was well over twenty years ago,because there, the story is that this UF, whatever it is, landed in front ofthis, this school yard of children in Africa and an actual being came out andyou know interacted with these children and they what happened. I think theseare just Hittin bullein here is that these kids drew pictures of of whatthey saw and what not and then there was a there. I think itwas actually a documentary it'd be cool. If we could look that up.There's a doctor, a that that came out. It was like, twenty years after this,where they brought a bunch of these kids back together and to kind of talkabout it, and it was, you know they all told the same story. They still, theystill tell the same story: They you know, they say that was burnt and ourbrains. It was, and it's it's totally exact same and it's it's fascinating. Ihave no idea what happened. You know, but it's pretty incredible. I think I think a lot of our stories from this. You know people been tellingyou of O stories forever yeah for sure, literally forever I mean, even if you,if you watch ancient aliens, the show you know. Apparently they built thepyramids and what not, but that's a little out there but yeah. But if your yeah is themilitary, has the equipment to see these things much more readily andthey're out there much you know more frequently in much higher volumes thanthe people are so they're in that S, and that's kind of the funny thing webring this now full circle game is. People are now starting to believe inthis more because the government said Hey. This is a real thing, but thewhole time the government's always said anybody who's seen you at UF are crazyand they're, not a real thing, so we're and then like how many people have it'sjust weird conundrum that how many people you talk to that really trustthe government, whether they be Democrat Republican, Libertarian, gotto be low, got to be an all time low with people, everybody and part hates agovernment for good reason. You know, but and then now all of a sudden. It'slike! Oh what the government said. It's true so must be true, yeah. Well, I elike me, and I've had a you, know off, recording conversations with rick like and someone who hasn't trusted thegovernment for over twenty years, it's nice to be joined by everybody else,but like if it doesn't mean that I can't trust anything ever like. If youjust always say well, no, IT'S THE CIA! Oh no S E S, no is to say I can'tbelieve anything like that's a stupid way of live life, but I feel thegovernment only just only talks about things they absolutely have to. Sosomething is forcing their hand with this, and that's that's the only thing,and I think it's the fact that everyone has cellphones e, a bunch ofdisgruntled sailors and airmen that are leaking video, because no one is takenthis seriously and they're sick of being swarmed like this, the Omahathing it took over three days in two thousand and Nineteen July, Fifteenth,sixteenth and seventeenth west of San...

Diego. There were swarmed by hundredsof them self illuminated rill in lit like if you, if you listen to the video Jeremy Cor Bell and George Napton andreviewed talking about his latest drop and doesn't say it, but it almostsounds, like you saying, like the sailors and stuff were like almostdazzled by the lights like they didn't even jump to their attack. Footing likethey were just kind of like watching, like it's scary, I'm sure there was,and one of the one more point they had. He said. According to German Corbell,there was one UF: U Ap, whatever doing the whole, I have God thing like aboveall of the ships and then the other ships were swarming them and almostplaying like bouncing up and down through the water jumping around justhaving fun like taunting up to nine kickout navy battleships a so. You also have to consider too. Ithink one of the key things to remember when you're thinking about these, sowe've established that we don't understand how they work. So you alsoalso have to remember when you're thinking about these things is you it'sreally hard to do. But you have to remember that. Okay, if we don'tunderstand what these things are and how they work, then we have to try tonot put our you know our brains and how we thinkthey should act and what things do? That's a good point on to them. Youknow because it sounds like ye is like oh mommy kitten was sitting in the skyand all heard little baby kittens were playing. You know they were just outthere having fun or maybe it was a holograph because, maybe not you knownecessarily a Holograph, but we've talked about gravitational forces andyou know gravity Ben's light well, so that I, as o sin that to those soresour air force, will have someone up above watching while the fighters godown. You know I mean that's, I think that's what scared themilitary, so it's more like a military or at least military people wouldperceive that is they could recognize that tactic yeah. I I can recognize that they can'tdo anything about it. Yeah, so it's like whatever so here we go you're,giving me a good secerent, and I want to hear what you think about this sobecause Rick's question is: If eufs are real or they have some kind ofarrangement with the government, why not go around them and announced thepresent, and I said maybe the aliens don't want to talk atall at all. So it's not like. There's a disclosure there. The government helpus. These things won't respond, or maybe this is them talking yeah. I think so, let's for a moment, cast everythingaside and assume that these are products of intelligent beings in someway ship or for I'm kind of lean. If that is the case, I typically kind ofin my mind lean towards that they're more, like a drone typedeal, you know, kind of you know we just sent. You know machines to MarsYeah. I think that would be the most likely scenario if we consider that ifthey kind of end up like us in some kind of evolutionary chain we're goingto send drones and things to survey and watch. So if it is an intelligent being you know they might not want to, you knownecessarily contact us, but maybe like I think, one of the the biggest factorsin this is. You know when you consider the stories around the nuclearfacilities, the lash sites that were they were shutdown. That's really just a story too. There's been what, like, I think, likethree or four who just takes that happening. You know, and I think that's a verystrong case, for they are observing us. Ifthis is a you know, an intelligent being, then maybe it's their Beigianare observed, or we be. We are being observed rather kind of like a little science project,or maybe they just found us in. Like Oh look at these look at these cute littleapes. They finally learned how to talk. They started making computers, Oh shit, they figure out how to harness thepower of the atom. We better watch these ones. You know I mean so maybe it's they don't want tointerrupt too much, but they still want to make sure that these weird antscalling around the ground that figured out how to harness the power of theatom don't blow everything up. You know, I think it's a good. It's good to kindof pull ourselves out of our normal thinking in the way that like when you,when we consider as we're walking around and you see, I go out in nature-see these ants on the ground. Well, we don't like. Maybe maybe some people tryto talk to dance. I don't know you never know, but if nothing else like wejust seem to be observe them. Well, you study them. Let me fully out of thatlook at them and make you think. Even stranger is that I maybe the aliensnoticed that there's lots of attention...

...paid to nuclear sites and so, insteadof being a benevolent force, trying to get the attention of with a assumer the most powerful peoplein the government. That's why they shot him down like they may not care aboutus at all or care about US destroying ourselves. But what I like about, whatfed is saying to it like? We can't even put human motivation on what they'redoing, but it is curious on what you're saying is that they're not showing upat like shoe stores right they're showing up at nuclear sites insubmarine, so they know what they're doing? That's what lends credence tothat? It's a military thing, but one of my favorite things about up theory com.You know check it out and all these videos is like, I feel like for thefirst time ever, we kind of have our hands a little bit on it, and so it'slike you know, because that you're talking about aliens viewing us likeants and that's kind of always what I thought, but now looking at thosethings there are ahead of us, but are theylike a thousand years ahead of us or maybe like five hundred years ahead ofus? You know like we, I think we could rally. I think we could figuresomething out if we really had to go to to to with these guys what we've seentheir technology change right, I mean it looks like they've changed sincewe've started, observing them in the modern sense in the ES and t yeah e. They are now. It doesseem like there's always been like the acorn shape the cigar shape and thetriangle shape what they do. It does seem like they're progressingon the same time line as us like they are changing a bit. Let me guy go ahead. Fred, I was justsay you know it's impossible. He made a really good point. It's to, I don't think obviously theure anyexperiment of thought. You know I'm a real big thought experiment fan, but to just put our human thoughtprocess and and knowledge on to a theoretical, extra, terrestrial, highlyintelligent being how they would act would be kind of folly of is obviously want to do that for one ofthe experiments or you know thoughts, but we really have to try to break outof what we know to understand what wedon't know for yeah and and also who's to say thatjust the way that, like certain worms under the ocean, evolved to use thermevents as their source of life instead of sor so they're much better at thatsort of living than we are. Maybe this group evolved the gravity you knowfigured out gravity propulsion and faster than light travel or whateverthey're doing to get here, but are like idiots and everything else. You know wedon't actually know other like Bill Gates is like you're, really smart, butyou're a social idiot by all accounts. He is that's what people say that havebeen to parties with him and stuff I and of yelling at people. Apparentlyhis bolar's yeah has gon say I I naturally resist a lot of conspiracytheories just because over time most of them are wrong and I know actually, IRashi a lot of bill gate stuff, but he's not helping his case. I mean he's,not might be a social idiot, although he might be in the worst divorce of alltime. I got two more questions I want to tryto get to for Shit. You guys hanging on so thisone is one of the ones. That's more interesting to me and I'm going back tomy you know kind of conspiracy thing but like ifthe government was going to manipulate or control any messages from aliens.What do you think that would sound like if the government was manipulating whatthe aliens had to say to us? His is all like. I think it's like youknow like what, if, in this report or the months falling in they're, like youknow, we're in contact with the race of aliens and they're very concerned aboutearth, and they want to make sure that you keep obeying your local ordinancesand the government and keep enjoying consumerism, and there are actuallysponsored by you know, like major corporations or all that stuff. Isthere stupid? I laugh at how ridiculously stupid that sounds, butthat's probably exactly how it would come out to be like hey guys so turnsout on June twenty fifth, they say aliens are real and they think you should mask up and getvaccinated. They just got to keep on preaching thesame stuff and I'm not I'm not a antibacterial. Just to understand thatI just so in the line in the Lye. It wouldn't be anything we're talkingabout. I would imagine that all Kulina, they would say something like you know,we're in conduct with aliens like they don't want to change. Any of ourgovernmental structure, like all of the authority that we have in place, willstay in place. As we start to communicate with them, I like theywould make sure ou to protect their own. Their only demand is to raise thecongressional salary that we're going with is that we are grosslyunderpaid nowbut. You know, I don't...

...that's it's a really weird. It's a it'sa hard thing to think about, because you know what would happen. I thinkit's important to think about, though, because I do think that the temptation,if they are going through the government, it was it kind of- seemslike they are they're the ones that have hit in it and released it if therewas any contact to be made. Who Do you imagine that, like the disclosure, theactual like hand shaking with the alien and the talking would be through? Letme answer that question by not answering that question at all. So thereason the government keeps popping up the aliens aren't talking to thegovernment they're not talking to anybody, the government's the one thathas a billion dollars to spend on censors. That's why you're thegovernment's involved, that's it and the whole idea that the Alenan comedown, be like. Oh, no guys you got to have peace and stop war and climb allchange and all that they don't give a shit like they're, going to come to thethis random country or globe in the middle of the outskirts of the milk waygalaxy that no one goes to because no one lives there. Like. Oh we're, reallyconcerned you're luting your ocean, like I, don't buy it at all. If they'rehere at all, it's either just straight up, observing and like taking samplesof Shit or they probably live under the ocean somewhere, and he or they justhere, because the dolphins called them to get the dolphins of the planet, theThumb Dolfin Yeah. You know, I think I think, forthe most part, I I agree with Dan. I think I don't think they're necessarilycommunicating with the government. I think it's just because they have moreequipment and they have more people out there. It's just a unified group ofpeople that you know have to collect reports- and you know military is- isvery good about collecting reports and what not? We don't. You think it's kindof strange Fret Dan that other countries of experiences like,but no other country has really come out and disclose everything. Italy has,or at least put out a lot. We really listen to I well, I think I to going back to thegovernment is, I think, a lot of it is. I think maybe this is this is given thegovernment about on this one. Is they realized? If this is we're? Is this in my mind,we're pretending this is extra terrestrials at this? With thisconversation, you know they realized that this is a highly advanced species that can dothat. You at least can create machines. Then do things that we don't understand,and so we don't understand them, so we're just going to keep quiet about it,because we don't want to pretend like that were inept at protecting or people.You know. I think that is one valid kind of topic discussion point for whythe government would keep these things and, if you haven't noticed since earlytwo thousand and twenty people freak out when they think theirtrouble yeah my bags a full ghastly just are. I still have all the paper from, buthere's the thought that just occurred to me and I stond original thought,like even Louis Elizondo, talked about how like he claims that they have gotrecede and they looked into it and there's biological data on the wreckageis ignat bodies but biological data. So people have interpreted that that meansthere's like Ann fingerprints of some kind as in like DNA or something what,if it's just like a slime or something that it's somehow controlling thesecrazy. What the drones are the of are the aliens and like we just can't evenbegin to talk to these things. They seem like they're. Just wrecked waslike a little bit of biological life in it, Yei mean really crazy ca new one infor you, maybe it's just a maybe so if we keep going down the timeline that weare with a cassilis decide right now, with technology and a few fifty hundredyears, Elon Musk gets his neuraline to work, and then you start being, youknow, symbiotic with technology and then two hundred years after that, thea I takes over it plays out the whole horror. Film of you know machinestaking over, and then they create more ai and machines, and maybe that's allof this- maybe it's just such an advanced technology. That's it's justartificial intelligence is just falling around and we have no idea how to talkto it. That's a new one right, especially like that one, the nearestlike habitable galaxy or planet is like fifty let years away. Maybe these arejust like semi alive semi autonomous drones that I've just been flying forthousands of years. That ended up here and candid report back they're justbroken freaking probes and we're offering bout me well yeah and if not,I mean at least the what they have going on with the physics that allowsthem to do what they can do. You know we talked about light and gravity andif they are using some kind of gravity as a force to move will gravity andlight, don't mix well together, and so maybe we don't even know what theyactually look like less we're just...

...laying the light refracted. You know,bending around these objects in weird ways that we don't understand. Well,that's a very good point and a very good question, because I've heard someother people talk about that. I. Why can't we get any clear pictures thatreally show the structure that aren't distorted of these craft and is it aretheir own phenomena that we can't see them like that? Or is it something that,like they're, purposely only releasing the photos that are thermal scans ornight vision? Or what not you know, and it's you mentioned, I I pick a bone,real, quick t. You mentioned Milda Grass Tyson earlierand I said like I really appreciate some of the stuff he does, but one ofhis biggest things is well. We have all these these high tech cameras everyeverybody has a high resolution camera in their pocket. Well, coming from ascientist that sounds a little bit ridiculous, because if it's technology,we don't understand how can e for a fact say that we understand that peopleshould be able to take pictures of them. You know when an especially if you everlook at you know pictures from satellites or you know the Hubbletelescope. Are these the things that are out in the space when you, when yousee these pictures of space? That's not what the picture looks like right nowthey have to do a lot to it. Don't they yeah? They say they do a bunch ofediting to make it appealing like. If you follow, you know Nass or somethinglike that on Instar. Those pictures that they're, showing you those aren'tthe actual pictures I mean I try to Suin on a bird with my I phone and takea picture and it looks like I took a picture like under water, like ourphones aren't us to that an balloon. Now there was just a bird like there'sa cool hawk on like a telephone wire, and I try to do and take a picture andlike it was a four pixel picture like these phones really aren't that good.Some of them are to say that you, you can take a video or a picture of a Y. UN! W QUOTE! UNQUOTE! Extraterrestrial? U APOR! U! Fo! That has some kind thathas this technology that allows do these wild things that we don'tunderstand. That's a mile two miles three mile, whatever it is a way onyour camera phone, that's I think that's a little disingenious got touploading at the highest quality and you to last applot at the highestquality like there's so many you know something that's really into big foot,to which I never realized to it. I realizedeither big foot or fos are going to be real and they can't ull be real andmakes me sad that warmen for the ghost dissolute come out, because I thinkthat, as might be real, but like it's really there's so many artifacts in anytype of digital video that you're never going to get a crystal clear unlessit's literally like you know, a really good navy camera or something, and alsoto that point is if I were to say so so I've I'll be the first. I say I lovethe thought of you know extra terrestrials or whatever it is, or you know weird phenomena like. I love it's anit's fun, but I've never had like a ghost experience or a big footexperience. You know, I'm I'm a hunter. I've spent hours upon hours upon hoursout in the woods and when it gets dark and you're in a weird woods. Iunderstand how people could get freaked out a little bit because I've beenplaces where it's like. Oh, this is weird, even though I know the area, but you know if I were to see somethinglike a UF. I am not pulled out my phone and takinga picture I mean, maybe because I'm a little older than most like I'm, alsonot the person that sits at a concert and records records the live concert ontheir phone either. Right, you like to say something that is blowing your mind. Most people aren't going to pull theirphones on. Take video of it they're going to go wholly. How what is thatyeah and they're going to be frozen, and then it's going to be gone here, goOh, I should have pulled my phone yeah. I feel like. I would be for sure, pullit out, but I don't know that I would actually film it like. I think I wouldbe looking with my eyes and trying to record at the same time like that'sthat's why I give a lot of leeway to these bad videos or, like I saw a really good one. RecentlyI came from Indonesia and we should put the link in the website cause. There'ssome good ones and like as the guys filming it like the camera, just slowlydrifts away, and I was like pissed off like that's, not real like now. That'sthe most real because he's watching with his eyes. He forgets to hold itwith his hand, I for sure believe that there stuff out there and that their UFOs are real. I just also for sure believe that we're going to get playedor the government's going to try to use it to their advantage. Well I'll agree with you there. If it'sjust like the saying you know never let a good katase good away exactly he gotthey're going to anybody. I mean not just the government most, maybe notless people, but most people that would be involved in government or kings aregoing to take advantage of certain situations. I said this Jeremy, a Corbel Guy, theway he's he'll hint that the videos come in and hype it up, then drop itand then a month later to another one. It's really freaking annoying O, but Ialso can't blame the guy for Trina like...

...make his name and make a buck off of itlike that, doesn't make it fan yeah like ifI were making money off of it like it's. You have got me because that that's theweird thing, though, because they're not making money off of it, that to theStars Academy, is like fifty million dollars in Dat, jerk or bells not tothe start. He came. I know an interesting thing about them. Youwant to talk about them as they've gotten dark for like a year but yeah I'm not super familiar withthem, but I know Jammy Corbell has done some, you know, documentaries and stuffhe's making money, that's how he makes fun and his name is out there.Everybody knows the name, so there's a lot of de s to make money yeah and asmuch as I like that guy and as much as I appreciate what he says he's tryingto do. I don't know if you ever speaking of some people, people hate, have you ever watched the interviewwith Joe Rogan and Babar since we're on the topic. Yes, I had Rajay Corbelthere with him. Yes, it's like the whole time. It just made me laugh likeall right here. You have a Guy Bobbler who, if any be, doesn't know about him.That's really interesting to that. Supposedly he was working on a UF.I think he's Selser now that propulsion system yeah, we know now yeah, but itwas funny that he Jeremy Corbel, was there he's like Baba. Come on, tell himthe story. Bob Tom, like it's like you, can tell like Jeremy Corbell. Is themedia guy he's the guy that wants to like to hypoes real itis? I know andI'll be honest. I like Jemmy Corbell, just as much as I also am annoyed byhim, like he brought he's a very abrasive personal yeah. That's a goodword for and like George NAPP, I like him at towahs. Also the coast to coast,like the CIA, has a treck record of using people like this. Going back toOperation Mocking Bird, I think they decided that it makes itworks for the American populas, especially in this day and car dashingage that were in where it's like. We need the Instar guy to get this to thepopulace. You know what I mean like even going back to the ES. Who knows ifit's true or not, but the guy that invented the gong show and he wrote theSong Palisade Park. We did a whole movie about it. He was a Sias ifthey're always like finding smart people that they have dirt on what wasit like? The Church Commission where they came out and said without sayinglike they were? The centers are ask then like how many people do you haveany employee people from the CA that are work in the media like yes, they do yeah, he evident v havingin radio and and I a think and I'm not claiming anything about Demi Cor Bellor George. Now I don't know, but just if you were, the CIA you'd want someoneapproachable and it would definitely be a bonus if you had some insane blackmay on them and say you are going to release these videos and do as we say,or in Same Butmi's, coming out and again nothing to do with them. Justfrom reading about, like again the guy from the Gong show and all that stufflike, and it's also very true to say that if the government didn't want anyof these videos getting out the people that a release in them, when either anot have access to them or be, we go, commit suicide somewhere yeah. Iunderstand o happen just how many of these cadesia exactly how many of thesevideos, including the most recent one, are taken on board American militaryequipment and everything is conveniently blurred out, except forwhat they want. You to see like these things are going through the properchannels, yeah yeah yeah. Well, that's when the they're verifying I an. Ithink I think the important piece of you know. Obviously we've I know youguys is kind of theme. Is the the truly weird you know true crime, and what not?But I think this is an important topic that you know there are a lot ofconspiracies around it and I'm not saying any EHEMRE by no. Who knows Icould. It seems, like the government and different people. Surprise me everyday, but I think the the ultimate likeunderlying thing here is you know, for years and years and years, everyonesaid if you believe in aliens are crazy, yes, but just unjust, knowingunderstanding the fact that there are billions and billions of stars in agalaxy and there billions and billions and billions of galaxies in the universe, an infiniteamount, it's kind of hard to believe that there's not some some kind ofother life out there. You know, I I understand that you now there's whether you're now ultra religiousnight, and I don't say that like mockingly, but just you know thebecause I've am very familiar with that. I had a time pared when I was youngerthat you know I grew up in Bible, believing kind of church- andyou know it was the earth is six thousand years old and that's it.That's when God created all right, I get it, but if, if he created the entireuniverse and the only life that he created is on this planet, it's a lotof wasted. ERGY E L, I'm a Bible beleave up there, and I would considermyself F A crasis. I don't find...

...anywhere in the Bible where it tellsyou that the earth has to be six thousand years old. I don't know wherethey really get that from it. I guess they're going through genealogy, butthe whole garden to eat in Paris, conservative, the shortest time o yeah.It's interesting like Bible believers that believe it and you, if you readthe Garden Story With Adam and Eve or whatever like how ever you want to takethat and know some people take it it's allegorical. There is no time framethere, like death, didn't even exist in that, so the Earth could have beenbillions of years old while they were in there, but I don't want to get offon that whole topic, but I get a toff. So scientists now estimate there aresix billion habitable earthlike planets in our galaxy and the earth is not evenconsidered the most habitable earth like planet in our galaxy differentplanets that these guys definitely could be coming from within fifteenmillion light years, which is around the corner. They say I do want to talkabout the theory of evolution and the anybody that seriously studies. Itsays how rare it is for life to evolve. I mean we don't know we might be theonly planet. Even if there are billions of plans where life is evolved in thenconscious life and intelligent life is even rare. I mean it's rare on ourplanet. Do they say that? Because I don't think anyone has enough of a dataset to say that, because we've always looked at one planet yeah, I think there are. There areplenty of scientists out there that believe that we are the only ones, because it's so rare, but when you inmy mind you you're talking about bill once again, billions of billions ofplanets that could have been habit, life in galaxy and then billions ofgalaxies. On top of that, like I think it's a little, at least this is this iswhere my beliefs come in. I think it's a little egotistical to think that weare the only ones out there that like. Are we really that special yeah? Whenyou look at the statistics and the math of it all like man, that's maybe, and Iin the fundamental nature of the scientific method, says that you couldknow true scientists, in my opinion, would state evolution is difficult because we'veonly ever seen earth like there's. We know that there's too many universe istoo big. I'm not saying this not true, but no one can say that, because you'dhave to go to all the other planets. No, we haven't done that and then you canget into a whole. Other part that, like its consciousness or intelligence,really necessary is that are we like a weird artifact of like a wrong turn onevolution that created intelligence? I mean like it's not really supernecessary for reproduction. You know what the secret is. Everything hasconscious and we're just murdering bugs and fish all the time. Maybe wellthere's that argument as well too. So I mean I don't know, but it's a a defendshow you define consciousness. You just can't hear the grass screen when youcut it, I would say well, then I think most scientists would agree, though,that yeah, it's really rare for yeah. You know an a about anything withthreat. I like this yeah because we could talk about how grass releasesfair, monent's fun. Well, I mean the I sciences proven that,like different types of fungus allowed like trees to communicate M, you knowso the there's some weird things that go on there. I always I always like thekind of the thought experiment or analogy of you know. The aunt is a kind of a two dimensional kind ofcreature. Insects from our understanding you know and on the floor, doesn't realize.What's on the shelves in the room, so who's to say that we aren't an aunton some floor that doesn't realize that there is this other dimension, and youknow people think to mention they think, like the twilight zone, a differentlike all this, you know whatever withe stuff. Well, just a dimension is justanother section of the world we live in. So you know we live in a threedimensional world and you understand that, but what's to say, there's not afourth or fifth dimension that we just can't perceive the airish. They talkedabout the free mounds and they call them basically, they kind of like sitor whatever I do T. hopefully now I'm talking about and also it's mirrored inthe South West. The name of Americans also had basically kind of like ferrymounds, and they said the people that live in these mountains walk among usall, the time they're just in a different plane. Basically there'splenty of medieval myths to about a plane. They called it, which means tomention that was above us where things would drop in and out, and that wascommon throughout the Middle Ages. So I would like to do probably our nextepisode get into some of the interdimensional aspect of aliens andand talk about that. You know because I, I think real quick. I think that'sanother. That's that's on the top of my viable options for what these thingsabsolutely I mean pertect, particularly when you cosider how we've discussedgravity, because gravity and time are...

...interlinked and if you can manipulategravity, then possibly you can manipulate time. So, theoretically, youcould manipulate the dimension that you are existing in. At that point, I can Igive you a real quick hot list, both you guys of viable options and see whatyou guys say so yeah I'll, say the viable option thatyou just said. The vial option of you know Outer Space Ultra Trust rules, maybe us from thefuture. But then maybe some of these advancedlife forms like we said dolphins. Some people say I to pus or it or maybe itis these trees. With these masks like fungal roots, that are like a giantbrain, that's speen the earth. If you now include trees, we have to includemaybe it's just the government doing cgillas yet confused to eat, throwproject blue mom yeah, but you I is as likely as trees flying? U Fos I mean Iwon't. This is what what is it? That's it just keeps coming back that way. Thell is happening. I think we all agree that there's just so much that we don'tknow, I mean there's so much deep in no other ones going say yeah well, I thinkthat is included under interdimensional and it's something that I definitelykind of think. Maybe some of the real ones are we like to explore more, but we just don't know like you knowlike you, can have the argument that we can appreciate intelligent life on ourplanet. I mean, I think, we'd all agree here. We were probably the pinnacle ofintelligence on our planet because we can articulate it. We can express. Imean we don't see anything really from the animals. Do we well, it's like going back to cos, can attribute topeople there's supposedly an I an quote. That said, you know, even the smartest fish in theworld looks like an idiot if he ask get to climb a rope like yeah. What are wejudging it based on? If these things are so foreign, they might be shoutingat us all. The time saying please talk, and we just don't hear it. I mean I guess you can use things like artisticexpression, architecture, music, some of the animals you can say.Oh a bird, has music a right. We know that some elephants can haint byholding a Broche, but monkeys are starting to use tools,but you look at humans as a whole for better for worse. You know, you can see the intelligence, you cansee the intent you can see. Thinking behind it. No, I mean it's abrander of the humans ersat I just I was giving by the Aliens Yeah You oi'llsay this. I attacking on to that and kind of goingback to something how you started. That out is. I think our downfall is that we arejust smart enough to forget that we don't know what we don't know. That's a really good point. We often do that and then it puts us ina trap. I just- and it's just interesting to like what, if whatever we're dealing with, isn't really much different than us,but just is older than us. So, like start because, like they say, humanshave evolved for like sixty million years, basically to get to where we'reat Cephalos have e. all for, like threehundred and sixty six million years and they're, probably below US generous, isto say right, like they're, pretty smart they're, probably one of the nextpartis things. What if there's something that was the human speed ofevolution, but that's three hundred million years old. Maybe that doesexplain, I don't know, maybe they they got the hell out of earth like when wewere still swinging in trees. I just I do think that people that think they understand, evolution and-and I barely understand much science, so I'm gonna put it out there, but itis incredibly rare, even in our solar system or even in the universe like wedon't even understand, apogees, really how life comes from non life right. Wedon't understand what consciousness is so many things at playing right, but wereally couldn't expect to find it on most planes like we'd, be astounded ifwe actually found like fungi or something on a plant now you're right,but within those strict parameters. What number did I just give? Sixmillion five million within those strict parameters, there's like fivemillion planets that meet or exceed those Peroneus, so yeah, but you'reyou're deluding your argument with an evolution argument which we're nothaving everyone agrees that there's no otherlife on the source, em. So far that we know unless there's my Crobius on Mars,we're not talking about our sources. No, I'm not even trying to argue evolution,just trying to argue the parameters so like just because it's life habitable,like it doesn't mean that life evolved there. I so like out of that sheernumber of planets that are maybe more...

...favorable to life. We shouldn't reallyexpect to find life on most of them. This argument, kind of presupposeswe're not being visited by UF all the time boy yeah, maybe we're not. Maybe that'san that's another thing out there you can. Maybe this is just a weird naturalphenomena. That's happening that we just can't explain. This is kind of aterrible analogy, but you know back in the day. People would see shootingstars. They think the stars are shooting across the sky now, but it wasit just a chunk of space crap burning up in the atmosphere. You know theremay be some kind of weird you know my problem is the intelligit phenomena,the intelligent movement, the way they sink up their movements with other ones?Some of the photos I mean, if you really dig into it. Some of the onesthat have been release is that presentation to Congress from the Youtip TAC task force, whatever you can see, moulded like metal and likestructure and the light leaving off the mettle of this. Like kind ofaerodynamic six foot here like they're real, then they're made they're, notthey're, not you know they always say, like nature, hates a straight line. They have straight lines: Oh they're,definitely intelligently controlled but front when you went. If you go all theway back to begin that thought they have changed like what people havebeen observing like. Do you remember not that you remember, but, like youremember, reading about the eighteen hundreds how there was like thisairship craze and people were like spotting like airships, which seemed tolook more like wooden ships that were somehow floating and like whatever thisthing is whether it's a phenomena that we don't understand or it's fromanother plan or where, like it seems like it's changed along with us, I think maybe a little bit, but at thesame time I think there's you could use that same argument to say you know an ancient hieroglyph. Thereare things that seem to represent fos and things thatlook like rocket ships, and what not that you know, I think it's I it's funto to some of that falls on the Observer. Doesn't it right it's why thenave Americans called the steam engine an iron horse? It's what you can referto also bad ask a way to describe his to mention, also a good good band rightor something I don't know yea. So, let's close it out like finalthoughts on this, and my final thought is just take what you're about to hearfrom the national telligence people with a grain of salt, because it willprobably insert some stuff in that that's more self serving or be able toutilize it in a way. That is not that necessarily for our best interest, butI do think there's something out there and what what it is. I have no idea. My final thought is we're going to geta bunch of redactions, but it's also going to say something along the linesof and you're gonna have to really parse the sentence both going to saythis is technology we currently don't have, and we don't know that anyoneelse has it. That's all they're going to say, and I will also I agree with both ofyou on that and also we know. I just like to ask questions you knowso. So what are we looking at? Why and continuing to try to understand what it is? You know.I totally think that the governments, of course, they're going to use it forsomething because that's what they do, but I think it's the the thoughtprocess of you know just because there is anevidence of something doesn't mean that no evidence is is not evidence yeah.Yes, maybe it's complaining as that is, but absence of evidence is not theevidence of absentee yeah. So it's I think it's just something that you haveto keep your mind open, because there's a lot of things that never made sensesbefore they made sense now and it doesn't mean we're at the thepinnacle of a genius. The werle learn more thingsall the time, so it'll be it'll, be interesting. Let's throw ideas or way,I think, love love had em open conversations and I really appreciateguyere. We were really happy that you joined us and thank you for coming hereand questioning every little aspect of this whole up ul phenomena with us yeah.I think we figured it out. Ethen you're, ready to dig it out at the ACENTOS.Give me a call we ll Joses. I mean to well for real and I'm going to put thison here, and hopefully this will stand the recorded episode. We have to doancient civilizations and we have to have a round table based on ourreligious up, bring back ground talk...

...about why rick still thinks of Os mightbe demons and strong possibility if the demon aliens will leave me alone. If Ilisten to the right so we'll talk, if you like to hear more from front,you can check out his show chronic curiosity there online and chronic dashcuriosity com. They have a big footprint on you tube as well check outtheir videos also be sure to check out W W invisible ships podcast we're goingto put a lot of different links and we'll be linking to chronic curiosityover there as well. So it might be an easy way for you to guys to find it and,in the meantime, make sure to subscribe. If you are not a subscriber to the showalready, and we will check you guys out later, a D.

In-Stream Audio Search

NEW

Search across all episodes within this podcast

Episodes (24)