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UFO 911

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Around midnight on December 14th, 1994 people in Trumbull County, Ohio began calling 911 to report a strange low flying craft that was lighting up their homes and moving silently through the treetops. 

We have the actual recordings of these 911 calls and you will hear the people in dispatch go from joking about there being something in the water, to basically freaking out when the craft powers down a police cruiser they sent to investigate.
We are joined again by Mr. Thomas Wertman President of the Ohio Mutual UFO Network, listen as he takes us through the dispatch recordings and the eerie events that followed.   

Or director and ready for on stoneprepared for aliens are watch come into your area. You have the nine one onetaps a called in. I really don't know whatthat would be in a EIAHA, an an area on okay, that's right. We do have the nine oneone takes and we're going to be playing them for even night, what's even betterthan that is that we're going to be joined once again by R Thomas Bordman,the president of Ohio Movin, which is the mutual UF on the International UFinvestigation group. We in charge of all the investigations that have nearin Ohio Yeah. This is such a good interview. It's just fun. Listening tohim tell stories and he's got one of those great deep, like George nory kindof coast, to coast, radio voices, so he just fun to listen to m yeah, and youknow what we're talking about tonight and I cannot wait to get into itbecause Dan, this is one of the most credible UF sides that has everhappened, and it happened right over here right above us in the Buckeyestate. We're going to be discussing the one thousand nine hundred and ninetyfour mass UF o siting that took place in trumbly Ohio, and it has everythingthat you'd want for incredible UPO encounter. You Got Fifteen policeofficers that have witnessed this UF plus we have the local nine undred onerecordings and you'll hear a bunch of different civilians, calling in reportsyou're going to hear the news media and we're going to be cutting that up andplain it for you as Thomas Warman takes us through it when it explains it in away that only he can. You know what I mean like nobody knows more about thisstuff than he does, and I think that we put together a really cool show for youtonight. You know I want you to have this frame of reference now when youlisten to this think about where we're at society wise. Now, where we have ourown government telling us that for years, they've been lying to us and saythat what people were seeing wasn't there wasn't real, but now all of thesudden din we're talking about Uloth they're, real thing right right and Iwas going to say if you're wondering why we hearing about one of the mostcredible, UPO sightings of all time in our area, with all these policeofficers. If you're wondering why you never heard about it, it's because itwas basically covered up and the way we even know about it is a great storythat Tom will tell you yeah. This is a wild story. I meanyou've had a lot of researchers out there for years that look intodifferent UF related events, and there is a gentleman in Ohio named LitterSpringfield, who was an excellent researcher and his time Frim goes backlike one thousand nine hundred and s s, he did a number of books on the subject, but his favorite thing is going after,like cracies, he loved to look into this, and he had. He was putting out a seriesof articles. Basically, the status of UF, Os cristatus, like race, retrieval, etc, and he mentioned a case in Ohio that was in liberty, Ohio, which is like the southern portion downcloser to like right, Patterson air for pace. He put this story out about a reportedcrash down here. Kenny young who lived in Cincinnati was really interested in Fos. Hestarted reading over this stuff...

...and he got interested in this story, one of the stories down there in thatarea. Now I was looking that up this afternoon, just a curiosity and theclosest one I can identify with happen Bon on thousand nine hundred andseventy seven down in that region, and it was about a reported cration whichthe military is actually called in. According to what I found instringfelter military was called and the rumor was some military personnelwere injured and killed, and then there were bodies and stuffrecovered and taken back to write, Patterson well, Kenny young was really curious about. You know thiscase like this down to that region and he started researching it. So hesaid: okay, if it happened in liberty, let's call up liberty and the policedepartment find it one on, because reportedly the chief of police was in fact withthis. So you got a picture here. The timefirms like roughly right right or one thousand nine hundred and ninety ninetytwo ninety three in or some place he calls up actually to in back O Legerat e had tobe like mid the late. He Calls Up Liberty, recalls of Directory Systems.I should say and says he I'm Goin to be connected. The Liberty PoliceDepartment, because I mean think about back in t s we didn't have Google andall that stuff thru so goes through ecosystem says, connect meliberty, police department. He gets in touch with despatch and hesays I'd like to talk to you about the UF event. That happened. You know atliberty and I said, Oh yeah. We know the eventa happy couple years ago. Well, things didn't quite seem right, but he wentand just rolled with with it and spache holding about the events. What wasinteresting with it is he advanced it? She was talking aboutgetting a line with what he was looking for, a I'm sure I didn't either so he'sprobably like wake but yeah and after two to two weeks of researching thisgoing through itting is, is this doesn't seem like it's the right caseat all, and then he finds out that the libertythat they connected him with director assistance was liberty, pound ship,which is in the north east part of Ohio by Youngstown, and he was looking forliberty, police purple, which is the opposite corner of the state, the SouthWest Corn. So he just went with said: Hey thiscase actually seems a little bit better, maybe than what I'm looking at, because they were talking about fos being seenactually over a couple different nights in the liberty area, where pleasecruisers were balled, you had a belieftin police officers that reportedly observe things e e N Y.U M! L! U People are serious, they're very upseta iewell. It's got to be a weteran or something- and I know as weatherblenched make any noise I no cheer in Obably at his things, just aping. It'snot moving and I ha well, maybe it's a private plane or something in whateverit was talyor going a little green and SantaClaus Flying Christmas. Try All the...

...shit on the channel. I I I you Wanta de you wet laughing, maybehe's trying to make me like think, there's really this. He had there and Iwas like a Oxyton Liberty Township. They hadbeen witnessing multiple knights of some kind of unexplained Aria activity.Well, that's what came up because what he did is he got put this report on his ownwebsite, get a website Eran and he wrote the report up about whathe got from dispatch. He posted out there and he says next thing. You knowhe gets this letter that says hey you know, we've been doing some followup. The individual said that they were actually with the nine red one castcenter in the Youngstown area. They said that they saw the reportonline of his. They went back and they said you know anybody remember this UFo thing back at such and such a time frame and they started pulling all theirminds together and they started going through their materials and they foundthe nine e one tapes from those given nights or he gets later on. Anothernote says: Hey: She keep checking your mail box as like what just keepchecking your mail box hold. This box arise on a box of it's got, tapes in it and there's a newspaper in there in thenewspaper. A somebody had done is taking anewspaper and cut all the letters out like a ransom milk and they wrote a message and put in it,and I guess that's what they said, that they did it. This nine und one callcenter, probably out of board that there are times that they had extratime on her hands and when he found these interesting cases, it wouldcreate their own, like lot phony headlines to go along with the tape. So they cut this out and basically whatthe note said is, or director get ready for hot stuff. He prepared for an Alien Star Watchcoming to your area. It went along a little bit farther that, but it saidyou have the nine one one takes in the box for the nine Nede from thatevent that when the only way he could kind ofsold the date, because evidently the tapes were not part Twenty Sen, hecould tell the date bide the newspaper articles inside which he showed as likeDecember fourteen ninety four. So that's when he kind of created, youknow the date that he said this happened, but there's been questionsregarding that date as far as accuracy, but when you start going through tapes, it really gets interesting because yousee how the tone of a police department changes as more and more record start coming inover a time frame. Okay, I swear to God I nidiver or a in object from basicallybeing joking. This guy and slow o pain.

It siloing fun of stuff a so. I we got to figure out how to explainthis away now. You know, because we don't have an explanation. We got tocome up some. You know some way to kind of like DIS track everybody from in this wholestory. You know hope it goes away. You could hear that at one plan thing thatthis Banchor says that the FAA guy gave her some numbers to call. If she wentto report a fo and she's like I'm, not calling yea yea, her name was actuallyRoyan Rug. She was great, oh, she was fantastic. I mean if I was running apolice per, but I would have UN her on dispatch because for sure she handledit so incredible and he was funny too. She was I mean, because when you playthe tapes, then the tape set by the way to point this out is they weren't overlike a three hour time, frink or actually like over all night, and Iunderstand that they're actually potentially combination to differentdays and when you go through and he cut outall the portions of em in between and you start pulling everything togetherand now. You eventually works down to baby about two three hours: Time train kilter. These reports coming in but you've got the reports coming in and itstarts out by like got this pasture and she's just being kindof like nonchalant on call comes and hers test. Like an elderly gentleman, Isays: Hey, I'm out here on Samson drive and Samson drives north of Youngstownarea and he goes yeah, I'm looking outside. He says I see this green light. It's really great. Itlooks almost like the exhausted yet and he says it's a load of the ground and she goes okay. You know: Okay, okay, we'll look into it you'llkind of like pushing away saying: Oh, yes, sure what you've been drinkingabout, but you know a type of thing. Well, the next thing you know you got like four different phone callscoming along with a local TV station, and I think I or actually to calls in of a gin the sky.I no no object about Sanson driver, you notice anything knowledge. We've hadfour different calls. This particular one came over an I I, the sky. That's all we have in thesky, the A in this Guyton call start coming in and she reaches out to her cap and shedoesn't mention the calling Catin, but she calls him by name and she goes. You know we just got fourcalls and here about the USO out on Samson driving there all in the samearea- and she goes on me to call you air traffic controlon this, because no, no, no, I kind of got check it out myself. You know, andshe goes you know. Maybe he goes. Maybe spot came to the region. He startsmaking a joking self. He says: Baby Stock is out there and she goes well. They could beshooting a new star trek movie around here some place, they're all makingjokes about this whole thing. Well, you can see the situation thathelping...

...because the phone call start coming inthe next thing. You know here comes reporter, calling in said this Patch O.I d. This is a an thirty e from a thirty three, a the three local TVstation and what they did by the way back and is a monitor. The policetraffic on a scanner- it is a really dumb, my huit place, ere in an areathat I got to call about a little bit ago. A woman call finally got one an so they heard these calls coming in tothe police department them sending officers after respond, and I gushalina was like Samson dies avacancy through the loss me this, but I mean it. I mean it's probably some orsomething meaner taking the area, but I really do a PO call or getting out of what I iterate a check. Movie Noise come on it that extendeth like abig story of the Water and liberty and effect of of people, because thesepeople are clearly afflicted. I appreciate the Tempi e o o more on it.I station here at some people, and I would be in trouble in his patacas intext, because I e the way it is said it and I said he turn hard with the biggest jokers on the force tomake. If we do what I do us, I s, I will callyou personally an exclusive. This reporter says, hangup, I just had a woman called in. She was out in tears and she said she saw UF out in Samsondrive really really, and I start making jokesabout it and she goes. You know yeah. She goes o reporting like a greenlight, and this patch says yeah we're checking in and now we're looking at itand she goes and then she makes this big jokes. He cause do want to come toliberty, Ohio or liberty anyway, because she goes there's no intelligentlife gear in liberty- and this is this patch he's enced around making us towater. She goes so we got some pretty bad water oun here. Maybe people are,you know getting sected by the water. Well, they they say that he, no not!This person reported the object and then you get more phone calls come in.Were some er reported, seeing an object, ty heat off the ground, traveling downthe street, and then he got a object report that Sampson drive andalso we've been advised by color to the media. Redford that I I I a blue greatobject, have no noise. It was in the area to have an extension, a s. This isjust in nowhere's. Reportedly even an elderly gentleman out there walking,you know down the street had a dog out...

...and he said the object was moving abovea house. Well, different ones are saying: Maybeit stars and by the way I went back and I've got astronomy software they canduplicate sky tires going back through those house fun, and I put myself inthat Erin youngstown on the launch to late CORDIS. The one went back to onethousand nine hundred and ninety four and you could see like serious blow inthe sky on one side and then Vegal in the skylight onanother side, and maybe some of the stuff they wereseeing seeing could be explained. The way is at be o lo hysteria, but when you had somebody saying hey,this thing was moving above us. He was going down the street, it was comingtowards us, there's crib it and being fifty feet above the ground. I mean inchanging colors to ye fifty feet above the ground. Well then, it called up thedispatch or his patch call efficiency, air trast control et y from a trafficcontrol. Now, if you ever heard those air traffic control people onlinebefore, but they got this part like almost like a Ponoton boy, some of them.Yes, it is ransom. OPTATA, Epi, asioot, some flying object in or juristic a thea e a an extensor. I could not give you any. I know direction that would help.You know that area. Anything I should be in our space is time e positon oneand she goes I'm a liberty, police department and we're checking to see asyou go. You know if there's any way reporting you know like anything, unusual sky. How and the guy goes goes. I just woke themover by radar out here and he says: We've got nothing for sixty miles and says you have nothing and she goesShitando voices like! Oh Damn. How do I explain this so I e the ground. Would you be able tomonitor like a set or something with a light on it er and tell them something?And I don't want to say you couldn't find anything. Is there any like a cat?Might easilie a personal act or something like these night or somethingo o e, O e location say from as long as they saidit went to the ground. It would be actually five miles away from as we'recloser to that in a towsled play out toward the Lilina area, and that's whatI thought maybe was lattice it one wet. We get a count for this o a secondmorning. Okay, I've got forty six calls at this time. I had forty six callscome in about it et Eliade wire light ring Osero, aedis avenue. The objectwith loathe grounds did not make any noise...

...were there for some time continuemoving down leaetest, it was to something he thought was morea when he strike at the end of a fighter pilot plane. I don't know whothe hell kind of flying to continue on their dry care I, but this is like Iwas advised that so I wanted to call W. No, I don't. We have a eidently do information. I just asomebody with me. It provision and no night line, or something like that- Ididn't know what was going on that one of an my God on and I don't want tolike a crack. I, but that's weak- that in so far. Thank you. So let me ask you this: Would ahelicopter show up on radar or anything that didn't log, a flight plan thatwould still bevisible on the radar to the tower right on rat or yes, as longas it's not too low? Well, that was actually one of thequestions that she asked at c. She goes well O Tis, with a helicopter not show if it wastoo long. I godthaab she as basically that works for me, so she was looking for a way out andyou could see it, but that happens all over the country yeah and I take an Imonitor- fling traffic and transpotes, because I've got the actually got in Tenu on my roof, where I've got to receive her, he canpick up the transpotes of aircraft in the area really yeah, but I can alsoI'm hooked into a network quiting pick up stuff. You know across the countryand even the world for that matter way one so like. When you see an airliner godown, I can take and follow that airline and pick up wheres, trans,father and stuff was that right now, I'm working some of the datafor one of the reports that they've been talking about on the on the localnews about the thrones off to the California coast. Back in two thousandand nineteen I'm pulling up the archival air traffic in that region. You doeverything that you're into is fascinated and it's cool that you havethe technology and that you're willing to put in the kind of man hours thatthat requires yeah and then it's just being at the Geek. Really, because that's what I guess, I've beenall these years and I I can probably find like Big Bang theories roll. Iknow you now well. I appreciate the way your mindworks and I just want to jump back to the the trumble county fo, one of thethings that you said on your podcast. It's a really good point that hadn'toccurred to me till you said it was that how could the guy in the tower notbe seeing anything when there's reports from the airport of people seeingsomething that's right, so does that make you skeptical of thestory? Well, the thing is: is the airport really wasn't that far from theregion roles was happening? At Liberty is actually fairly close andthe one airport out there in the youngstown they call it Vincente. That's where I tower was at. He said hedidn't see anything from tower himself, but then again maybe a sumthing is lowenough to be round. He may not sprite, I mean if it's fifty feet above theground, you might not. I yea well, we're really gets interesting ADIT. Youmentioned earlier the name of Toby Boreo in the takes when you play them.They'll mention his name a few times, but when I went back and realistic myselfthrough a point that hoped was was really interesting.

You hear in this case a cruiser beingsent out to Sam a drive. Well, the guys you hear that theofficer would call back in, and he says you know today. These witnesses give addressesno well next time. Would you know, would you please get an address fromthese witnesses that would really help oh yeah. We can do that more cotelette.Next, clip that comes in your officer goes. I need a few minutes ure to give mythoughts back together and they start and not him, but thedispatcher starts laughing about it, making jokes and then she doesn't know which just happened. Well. Toby Moero was the one who hasset out to Samson drive and that there's appears to be makesome inaccuracies between what you see on. So the TV shows involving the samecase but toby Moero went out to that streetSamson drive. I have another report that Hampton do. That runs your selfI've actually going out there myself in that region, because I used to work onthat area. At that time, in N T S, you had housingroughly about maybe a hundred feet from a road, something like that say, a fairdistance on rode back to the houses, and it was a nice like a nice, suburban neighborhood.That was just pretty much on the edge of string togrow. You had some vacant fields in there he's driving down the room, but all of a sudden, a e guys. Everything goes out every yeah next thing in this, like the ten Bueno talk about you was the windowdown, looks out and here's his fan just directly bud is on for, like thirtysecs, but I accorded to some of the things I'vebeen a o wont, find out one point thought about getting his gun out andshooting an a. He said. I thought about him and I gotbetter. You know o knows what's one who is my, maybesomething like what, if it's a helicopter? What I is this, what wasthat you know, and he said it was a bright red light extremely intense. Hecould not see any structure to it. Other than the fat was an extremelyintense great, but at did I I to be blue in drinkthat, starts in slowlyaway from well. This is when he radioed dispatch and said I need a minute toget back together. This thing had just been over his headat it and he was trying to rag lize what the heck happened to him. So I finally regains his senses and anhe goes. You know I can go after the same, so each the lights on a cruiser comeback up, so he's able to restart the car and then get it going and he takes off, but when he goes downto Rodin things on doesn't know where winant Er officer and you had when you listen to tapes or Quia. FewDifferent Radio despatches coming in some different offices around theregion and some may have been seeing stars based on what the reporting a maybe Ilittle his stereo, because everybody else is reporting so much stuff atclose, but what the officers his name was James Baker. He goes out to group Field Center, which is actuallyold, abandon a regard tower...

...well. This was this radar tower isreally being used like for defence part purposes back until like s s when theyshut it down this lite cool Miller, thing yeah, it's like a Dolt, basically, and some parts of the stuff is actuallystill out there, but that the whole facility of self is going well. He goes out there and he wants toget a better view in one of the highest things in the area, so he climbs towerup and he's looking out- and this is agreat part of the tape he's looking out and says yeah. I can see these lightsoff at a distance. You know- and it kind of looks like a Christmas tree. Hesaid these legs are flashing. After almost like a you know, like aChristmas tree, the hall son e Goes, please be a start. Please be a Star S. Please Plane Hal, please. Why wouldyou Hanorah this shit on? I youannotated coming back towards Yand he was panicking, but his whole nature just completelyflipped and then then alsoe comes back to his senses, but you just gettingextremely upset tit. Hey this thing may be something unusual. I don't want tobe up on this tower, where you had the Skeptico e out andtread to explain a lot of stuff away that they were seeing like as beingstars. Meteors Youve had different ones, saying thatyou know that air vase of your piano, it's a it's a pair reserve gardening army reserve barbasin. You get right now, like C one thirty's coming in, but to one three think they have someblack hot helicopters over there too. You see him around here playing over onthe way over there cratla and they say hey. Maybe it's a still helicopter something here flyingover there, but I don't believe that the base itself is. I don't think it'shigh enough level to having like that over there and the man in no sound yeah,no south. What so, where? Why would they be powering down police vehicles?And things like that, if I or military and risk being exposed exactly I mean I mean Melara was sayingthat the thing was about fifty feet off the ground. had no noise. He said the late Ash is about. Likedaylight wow in size of football, for you yeahexact, I mean if it was big, did you ever interview any of the civilianwitnesses that were calling in to the nine one one center? No, I never got ahold of on her, and I know I did I know Kenny. On said he talked to a couplepeople, but he didn't document who it was. What, if anybody still in the areayou know on those roads still lives there. That remembers that night, it'spossible. It's possible, I mean Bro, actually was still on duty over inYoungstown last. I knew really yeah because it was really wild. It was a director in the college over there and I go walking in the building. I seethese bubble gum machine sitting on her lobby. They said on his bubblegum machines andthey said all is some police officer does, and I don't know why this is funny. Idon't know why. But the first thing I went to my mind is: I would havedescribed from liberty, tollens e sofficeint. You both I said here, is ato investigate you up o. what's the chances of that happen pretty long ofreal? Well, my secretary gives me the guys Caris Toby, Boreo Malarum, it'sthe guy. I think that a latent lakic abilitysitting here or something I tried to...

...call him a couple times over some otherthings, but I couldn't get through to it a couple and since we had out on thecampus, but I always wanted to talk to one on one, he didn't want to call himout. You know directly on that. I thought about getting a cup of coffeewith her or something it really did. I mean it would be fascinating for youtwo to sit down and talk, you know, but yeah, because I mean I'm the one Iwould say hey, you know tell me your story, I don't care howboring it is. You know it's not going to be the TV show which I don't expectit to be, but you know tell me exactly in your mind what happens you know in your own words, because too many of the showsexaggerate elaborate and do everything else and really distort the story, andsome of these reports are actually much better if they, if they didn't, do allthe exaggerations and all that stuff yeah. I agree with that, because some o some of the things thatthings are actually just so mysterious that ere hard to figure out where theTV shows want to have a real nice package that I clearly an alien clearlyher to do research or whatever, but we don't have any real idea for real exactly I mean this whole thing over inTumble County I mean even I got to the point that the dispatcher got some call from somebody off us to a gooutside her her the dispatch and look outside the station. Look you'll seethe object such and such a sky, and even one of them said it come by andI'll bring you out to where I'm at right. Now, maybe you can see it yeah. I remember that she has someoneelse to plug in for her, so she can go pick her break and try to right out andsee it. This is exact. She saw it right, yeah yeah! Well, she didn't save finepercent, but she went out with the guy, but that wayan she kind of remained skeptical about it right, yeah and I think I think shedoes and and yet from my point of view and no thatsome people may kind of like say I you're just fucking stuff, butsome of the things that they were seeing that night, I think, really didgo back to stars, but it in reality may go back to the point of you get a little massiter o going on,because you've got somebody who's got some really unusual things happening.You Got People Monitoring, scanners and not just TV stations, butlocal people in the area were wandering their standers in their houses. Pickingup on the story, so this could have created a little bitof hysteria to fun, have kind of an official rulingon this case, whether it was identified or whatever the parameters that youguys use are. No, they don't, and I this is one thatthey didn't even look into. This is one that I wish they would have, but myknowledge he didn't investigate this one and the bad part, is about the US.Ocie. I've got a ton of stuff in my garagehalf my garage is actually US overture, corns, yeah books, magazines, all sorts of articles going way back tolike nineteen s and shifts a tas old Si fi, o fiction kind of magazines. I'vegot some of those even coming: stonishing tails and yeah yeah exactly, but I've also got alot of stuff because there's so many of groups, especially going back early the out here they had conventions, they had different talks going on. Will theypublished periodicals with them, and one of my friends gave me Antonona? Itexcuse me inherited some of that stuff, also from some other UF researches,because the problem is as people like myself get older. Whathappens to all this research wegather?...

Sometimes the family desis we're to putin style thirteen one group sevenfold with we digitizestuff and we share between each other sort of.Maybe you know we're creating like this man of library. Well, when you go back to these cases like inT S and before a lot of stuff was all on hard copy and written out, even though thereports were pretty were printed, people were still filling and stuff byhand yeah, and then it wasn't searchable or smart in any way andthat's the problem. So now you got to try to make stuff search,ful, try to find ways recorded catalogue it to make it easier to find. So when you go back one, thus S, theremay be a lot more stuff in that region going on, but profess, maybe one theresearchers who had that stuff passed away and all that research materialsgone or is this reform at whoever has it notsearch hole would definitely be handy if you did get it to a point where youcould search it. So then you know any triangular craft. You could lumptogether in a search or people describing seeing a like the shipbetween green and blue. Put that together in one and start to see maybepatterns and that's what I do, the one group they shared with. I shared mystuff of them and they sure called territet information of man and that's a including vear copy. MyGarage, a Okeus I've gone back to on some cases.I've worked and one of my friends have a mision area.We shared a lot of stuff with me, an old out UF report, because I sawsomething back in the s a a real I said, or you so to report at this one.This guy was going around shopping holes. Can you o this place in e and hegoes he had all these displays talk aboutfoss collecting reports P, I s as his name John Ternham it I went to my files friend of my Cherwitme and I found John Timmerman files I go in. She was at. I found his report. You have a weird auto, build a being inthe right place at the right time and just knowing certain information that, like my brother said, is almostlike kind of have a six sense or in a lot of luck. Ten Yeah! I this because one of the things getting offthe Sepelit got me into it to thing is not only my own experiences,but I picked up the book back in the high school he used to have free, like paper backpoks like every, but like a paper back sales thing, yea, yea, yea and embryoes each time with a buck and one of the first books ever boughtwas called Pine. saucer serious business was done by guy called Frank. I wasactually a ABC News: podcast Er one time and Frank Edwards was the forebore likethe cur. As George snores part fills, he goes back before all those guys and he was talking about us on radio.

He treated like very, very real subject, and I always love that plate standards o be dated, probablynot be interesting to a lot of people, but here's the weird story behind you. I got a phone call one day fromsomebody saying: I've got a ton of research. My a my a passel fifteen years ago andthe stuff has been setting in a barn for years. He was an investigator.Would you like it? I Soleano I found that her dad wasactually very, very big investigative, back n h s cool and he was well known and I get to south L I'm going throughstuff, and I saw the thing where t y R backpresent of a n t s ring tohire Frank Edwards to come in to talk and they did Ingomede in Cleveland anda pad a painting to come in and had like. Fifteen hundred people show up a r this guy. The first book I readarsites here is the contract of assigned and even had a nasty litter inyour pore thing. You guys never came. I follow this is never mind us. The hourhas aventayle to go to like the Mica or something well, the guys I shared upwith Michigan. I told him about the research but maturely canceled, becausewhat was in asking about that is I'm going through this research materialand looking through the stuff and hears backin t S. people used to advertise in the back oflike popular mechanics, find like learn to be like O, Charles at yeah, I'veseen those yea and all that type of stuff. Well, he was selling copies ofyou afule reports or, like a quarter, a nickel whatever it was here, he kept the log of everybody whorequested the information from him. My Open these cards on to look at all thenames on here and I recognized half a dozen names on an AR. No, I wasn't in there for on one of myhe's, probably connected at the CIA or something like keep a track. Everyone,that's asking questions about. In t well, the funny part was is half ofthat on the authors now really as they started reading as a kidabout this stuff, and they continued it all these years, yeah, that's that's cool and I emailedone of the guys looking up at the Internet emailed, I- and I told him howI found his name, and he goes. You got his research mature says you have oneof the mother loads because he says I remember sending liketwenty cents or a quarter in the guy for the are you know your investigations and just your whole life. I guess just takingyou on these crazy little twists and turns as just trying to track downwhat's going on up. There is fascinating talking to you. Thank youso interesting. You know doing this stuff.I really look to challenge to you know that was just such a such a great storyto hear from you know, someone like him that really spent the time doing theresearch and kind of digging through the tapes and everything and it's funnywhen you listen to them. Like you know, a certain point towards theend. You know like, without shaking some of those officers were, andeveryone was seeing it and the despatcher who I really grew to likelistening to her, like she's funny...

...she's kind of spunky like her but she'slike I'm, not going to the I'm not going to make a report yeah like no one wants to hassle well,a lot of them were worried about their jobs, and you know I was doing someextra research like the national UF reporting site. They have some stuffabout this and the guy that was doing the digging there. I put it up on ourwebsite too, but he said that almost everybody that was working the airtraffic control tower for both the civilian airport and for the air basewas replaced within months after that. So I mean there's that I don't want toreport this, because I don't want to lose my job aspect and and that'schanging. I mean it's changing big now right because of what a tip theadvanced, aero space threat, identification. Whatever program yeah,I mean the for the Pentagon was studying this and they've changed theirstance like we were talking where they they want. The stuff reported, butyou'll remember even when Tom was talking about again that that great tick tech videothat was that was filmed by the navy, the Air Force, whoever pilots and oneof the pilots is a a female pile which is remarkablebecause there's not a whole lot of them. So it's worth mentioning and she'sstill active, so she hasn't come out so like even now. If you want your careerto you going, you probably don't mention this stuff. Yeah nobody'sgotten promoted to anything. I don't think we're talking about UF OS, but itis changing and you know not. Now we have the Pentagon and people like Marco Rubio anddifferent senators, and people like that saying that they need help tryingto figure out what this is so right I mean. Does that make it seem to youthat, like the e thousand nine hundred and ninety four UF case was probablyreally a UF, probably wasn't an airplane or a weather balloon, orsomething that a planet or star? That's fooling all these cops and civilians?You know right well, I mean I would say, knowing what we know and like to go tothat Mark Aruba quote, you know, he's a formal former presidential candidate. Iand he's saying he's interested in this, because he knows for a fact that theyare flying over our military facilities. So he must have these reports right. Hesays they're fing over our military installations- they're, not ours, wedon't know whose they are. So it's at the point where you have these likevery respectable real people, that they don't care if it's a fo, if it's analien or you know a North Korean fighter pilot or whatever they justwant to know what it is- and I was a other one of H R was listening to wasthat Louis alzando m a and he said, he's basically rolled out of a foreignpower. He said this isn't just been like decades behind us is centuriesbehind. This is like if someone had cars and everyone else had like horseand buggy like yeah, I didn't even think that is a good comparison. I meanlike. I was listening to him too, and he was talking about our best jetfighters, the best that United States of America has, and we have the mostadvanced air force, most Evans military. That's ever existed on the planet. Ourjets can pool seventeen ges, while our pilots can handle nine ges. Basically,the average polyander nines the plane can handle seventeen geese for a coupleseconds. These things, like the tick tack, video it's pulling. Six hundredges like we didn't understand how it's not collapsing or tearing itself apartand those and that's the thing to like I'm. I would be interested and maybesome of our listeners can meet out or we can find someone that is, you knowsmart enough to have an understanding of like what's on the edge of ofengineering for this kind of stuff. As I don't even know, if this is on thehorizon, I remember I read something interesting, probably just unread it orsomething said like if you went to the s with like a smart watch like how itsdown e were everybody be, and you know they said, a lot of people would besurprised, but there's probably a couple of guys working at like Tushimaand Tokyo. They, like Oh yeah. This is what we're working on like in thirtyyears. This will be on your you know. Like does anyone even have a clue? Isthere anyone? Even I don't think so like this? I really don't. I think,that's why the Pentagon is putting that stuff out there and why a tip- andthings like that exist is because no...

...idea I mean how do you comprehend acraft with no heat signature that breaks the sound barrier or break esgoes fast in the speed to sound without breaking the sound barrier? There's novisible means propulsion, there's no wings. They don't understand how I hasleft and then it's doing this trans medium thing, where it's coming fromspace to our atmosphere. Flying around to go into the water, the only thing like if I want it to be real, cynicaland try to think of just a natural phenomenon, that's what it would belike may there's some way. Energy behaves that we're just becoming awareof. But you know the many smarter people thanme have winess this first hand and that's not their take away. So I don'tthink that's what it is I mean like. What do you mean, though, like goexpand on that little bit like it's, not just intelligent thing behind. Itis just some kind of weird like energy storm or something just because youknow I would venture to guess that every year, an human spend more time inthe sky than they did the year previous over in a definitely over the course ofdecades were up in places we never used to be its Mais, been a weird thing:that's been going on forever and that's why we do have like ancient, but justsome natural thing like I'm, I'm an open minded person and I'm definitelyopen money through fos. Like I kind of think I lean towards an extra trestrailis crazy, but you know: There's lots of stuff we're always discovering newstuff about the way this planet works, that we never knew. You know what Imean yeah. Well, I mean I definitely want to get into this more and probablywill do an episode just kind of about like whether extra trust rals exist ornot. But you know researching. This is got me. You know how you go down, thesecrazy rabbit holes and looking at the drake equation and which basically saysthere's millions upon hundreds of millions of stars like our star andthere's got to be millions and millions and millions of plants like our star,but it doesn't make sense why? If there is these hyper advanced, intelligentcivilizations and they in we're seeing craft, maybe from them that we knowthat their galaxy spreading they're they can travel through at least theirown solar system and into ours. Why aren't we finding anything at allshowing that there is intelligent life like when they try to create like atranscendent and of universe for themselves like we're? Not Picking upany beacons, you know one of the first things that said he set out to do findextra trustram was they assumed that there was more intelligent races thatthey would want to help the races coming up or the species coming up andthat they would leave beacons and like we pretty much ruled that out, becausethat he's been going long enough. Even if something was really far away, wewould should have got a signal from them. I'm just trying to think ofthere's a name for for a theory. I think they call it the zoo, HypothesisHuh and that's one of the scarier ones, and it's like that. Work, quarantinedor wild life, preserve, quarantine or and one of mine ones, and I'm sure thisis not my original thought, but I was I was just thinking like, because I'veheard some people think it might be that because we are on the edge of theMilky Way, galaxy or whatever, relatively and the earth is like we're just kindof on the outshots of it may we're up against another galaxy that has a superpowerful, alien nation. That is not letting anyone else explore and theyknow about US and they're keeping us at their weird little zoo, sciensexperiment and, like maybe there's a good alien Alan Yola wants to visitthey you can shut off by these guys, as it's weird like if you drinks equation,basically says there should be. I don't know like tens of thousands ofcivilized. Yes right, I mean more many times more than that and that we'reprobably not the oldest civilization. So there should be civilizations thatare millions of years ahead of us. Some of the different people are into thesay that maybe once you get smart enough, you either a destroy yourselfor create virtual reality in that virtuality is so much better than reallife that they all are just living in...

...like virtual reality. Now that'sactually something that yeah I mean. That's that's one of the great thingsabout like theoretical physics and also where it fails. You it's like alternate dimensions, is a greatexplanation, but if once you accept that, then that could be the answer forliterally everything yeah I mean I don't know we. We know that. There'ssomething there I mean like these craft are something and they seem to haveintelligence behind them, so have to figure out yeah. They could be inter dimensional. It could be demonic. It could be somany different things and I think that will make a great episode where we justkind of go over that. I definitely think so and I would like to get someexperts on it to, but what you reminded me of, because I were focusing so muchon it being like natch like an energy ball or whatever or spiritual. You know.According to Harry, read former senator, you know he was on the former elationscommittee, a big WIG. He says that you had a good reason to believe thatlocked Martin, the defense contractor, had a UF in one of its facilities andhe actually as part of his investigation into this through theDepartment of Defense, the Pentagon. He asked to go visit and they turned himdown so why they turn him down. He doesn'tknow he said they just said: No, it's pretty crazy, that he thinks that theymight have it, and I would love that he if he would like, go more on why hethinks like mart, has that I mean like just off the top of my head. I'm thinkit must be trying to reverse engineer something and that's why us will giveit to their most like trusted. You know a contractor to look at it. Let methere's. I wish I could remember the name. There's a guy and our people thatare really in the Fo community will know, he's another one of thesegovernment guys and he said he can't prove it, but he's like ninety nine tonine percent sure we are using the first engineer, UF stuff and that'sagain, people that are like kind of agnostic, saying I don't know if it'salien Uf or just like a height of the Cold War, the Russiansdrop something and we started stealing from it, and no one really knows whatit is, because that's always a possibility to like some of thesethings could be that decades. Long game of telephone started during the ColdWar and what was really just you know, Ivan Satellite became yeah Martiancraft man. I can see it, but then I can't like, when you think about- and Idon't know home lot about jet fighters or anything like that, but they'dobviously have way more computer aspect to them nowadays, but I mean the basicprinciple isn't different from what they were doing in the s right I meanlike a jet propulsion lying. These rights is not some radical. You feelsource or something like that, but yeah, but I mean you know how many leaps we've had juston our own technology from warning. I mean because what if it is so beyondanything that we can do like we're just too too much as monkeys to even knowwhat to do other than like getting a little it's in pieces here of how to dosomething? You know, I don't know. Is it obviously, unless some of these youpos that we're seeing are actually prototypes now of ours, we haven'tfigured out the whole. I just had a really scary thought. You know like the Nazi program, wherethe first people that had like a jet fighter right and they were thefirst people that were doing rocket stuff like with the V t bomb and thenafter World War, two got some of their scientists to work on our ScrapermanPaper Cup. I don't know that the I don't know if they were the first ornot, but they were like I nearness in hearing it. What if I mean scary, ifthat was reverse engineered, that meant that the aliens like chose Hitler togive them their stuff? That would be, it would bereally bad aliens out there well yeah. It could be or disinterested aliensthat don't really know, or you know, maybe they just one crashlanded in Poland. That's I had to get in Poland, so bad that by cool movie M,that would be a cool movie that the whole World War Two is about getting ofman. I keep making me go of and or like just want to keep going down this road,but you that's the other thing too about if there iss these far away SuperSmart, alien race. Why they come allthe...

...way to Earth to crash at the last mile? You know yeah, although you know if they crashed in space, wenever know so good point a good point to I don't know what wegot a lot. I think that next month, when thereport comes out from the government will definitely me trying to get ourhands on it and go over that and sure millions of people in this planet aregoing to be going over it, and it's going to be lots of great discussionscoming. I think that you're in the new golden age of UF O and alienspeculation, so that is going to do it for us for this week next week, we'regoing to have the rest of the Tom Workmen interview, yeah we're going tobe playing the story that he told us that took place down in salt fork. It'sa true story. It's super crazy. We actually went down to salt fork toinvestigate that and we came up with a whole other story. So I think then theworking title is just going to be self work stories coming up. I have tworeally good stories for you and, if you're a fan of more that to crime,part of the invisible shows podcast hang in there we'll get back to it.We're just in the middle of what Rick is con the summer of Woo Yeah Yeah. Wewant to talk about all the truly weird stuff that has been you know goingthrough our heads and that we wanted to get into so that's we're doing allsummer. So in the meantime, just make sure you subscribe leave a good review.If you don't mind that helps other people find us and check a sat. We havea new logo done by Kate, Reynolds Perfica well well, link to her websiteshe's, a great artist and yeah a junk is out online or putting upsome stuff to go along with the podcast even on this case. So they'll be linksand different things in the show notes, and I guess that's going to be it sountil next time I visit Tis not cost. This so may be reproduced any waywithout the mission on the right in visible ships, productions and Elsieuntil next time. She leaves to next time hit me.

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