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Murder Lake update part 1

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In part 1 we get an update on the Bryon Macron case from one of our listeners/researchers named Bob. Bob has been doing some stellar work on this case, and you gotta hear what he has found!

I had numerous emails back and forth. Charlie now just been finding, and my full impression is right, one of his quant an email, which I believe I did forward to work, was never said sorry, never said yes. It's time for the invisible ships podcast, where we talked about everything from true crime to the truly weird invisible ships podcast. We are back. It's invisible ships. We're crying wolf because we're back talking about the Brian Macree case, even though we are supposed to be hard at work on our next series. We found some new evidence in some of our listeners have been really digging deep into the BCI file and they found some things that were frankly, too interesting to ignore that we couldn't really let it go and so we had to reach out and talk to them. There's two guys that we're going to be talking to today, Bob, who's been finding out tons of stuff about what was going on with Brian Ackman's phone in Scott, our video guy, and Scott has been digging really, really deep into anything and everything that we've given him and I can't wait to hear from both of these guys and what they got to say. Yeah, I am too you know, I've been going through this kind of revisiting some of the DCI report and kind of reading up on what we're looking at. I don't know if we have the smoking gun, but we definitely have stuff that I think changes the BCI's timeline. I think some of it changes our timeline, you know, and really poses the question why Brian was at other locations than you know and what's up with that cell phone tower and, you know, the video surveillance stuff from Scott and the phone stuff. You know, it's just just doesn't add up and the problem is it's still poses more questions than answers. Should we give Bob a call and see what Bob's got this? US BRING THEM ON. All right, let's call Bob. Hey, Bob, good hey, this is rick from invisible ships and I want to let you know that Danny and Darren are here and we are recording and we wanted to talk to you about the exciting stuff that you've been in covering going through the DCI file. Bob, Hey, Bob, you just want to say thanks awesome, because you guys thank you well. Thank you very much. That's really kind. Thank you for your time. Tonight. We are really interested in looking at some of the stuff you've been digging up. Yeah, it's been interesting. I mean, you know, everybody has setting back and waiting during this investigation the cases. We all know, and they made public information that, if it's just on their part, their listeners, on their part, this run, because you guys already know, because they starting this. People things like that. You want to start? Well See, let's let's talk about the cell phone pings before you go into it. We are looking going through this data that you know you found and we keep coming up with the fact that this is probably GMT time right, so that the Times that are showing up on the phone records are off by about five hours. Did you find that in some instances...

...actual things that happened actually shows up? I'm not sure if it's all GMT time. I'm not a professional areas and from the Times that I was able to put together, that phone didn't sit still, whether it be the phone didn't sit still or Brian didn't sit still, but the cell phone pings don't match in my opinion, the story that law enforcement told us that he left his home, went to the trustee building in whatever he did there and then right all the little details to get a car wash, to park his car, walk the lake, so on and so forth. If that's a case, to me that's a very small window of time that he would have put into doing what happened. But the cell phone throughout that morning, that that time that he left is just the cell phone didn't stop moving. It was just everywhere, right where he was with somebody, or somebody already had his phone if they were trying to go from location location to person to person or passing it off or let me see it. I don't know, it's just too ironic. was there a location that stuck out to you as highly unusual? There was a location, I don't know if I want to go into detail, but of location with one of the cell phone pings where the phone seem to have sit stagnant from maybe around a little before to to almost five forty five in the morning. It was like in one place and it kind of like takes you to an address and then it kind of seems like it went off the grid a little bit. Yeah, that bizarre. What really struck my interest is is that Particular Ping GPS on the computer and it gives you the Little Blue Line that you follow the locations I did to step by step. Turn here, turn here, turn here, turn here, and that Particular Ping turn at a driveway. Blue Line that you would get when you're following the GPS where they're showing you the direction of travel stops at the driveway, where it goes into Hash marks, has has has has way into a foot pattern to the right and then it gives you a ping which looks like could be a field, could be a farm, there, could be an outbuilding there. Look up the address. The address seems to be connected with an airport in that area. So again your mind starts wondering, is he in a field? Is He in a barn? Is He in a shed? Is he in an airport hangar or why we're getting these kind of readings? Hey, Bob, one of the things that we are planning on doing is we're going to put up the GPS coordinates of the phone and put them on our website, because you none of us here are experts in this, but research in a little bit. They're trying to triangulate Brian's location right and going through the BCI file we see Charlie Snyder made a report and he's using somebody called Nelos, which is something that atnt created for law enforcement, and there it's basically using triangulation to try to pinpoint the GPS location of the actual hand set. So you know, if anyone out there is listening to the podcast and you know about how this stuff works, you know we're going to put it out there on the web page, all the GPS coordinates and we would love to have your feedback. You know anyone out there if you...

...know more about this than we do, and we don't know a lot of art like yeah, please come forward. Obviously a key to this whole mystery. Yes, listening to what law enforcement tells us happen, and then in fact, that home was indeed found the trustees building that morning. Right all the cell phone activity is leave and then somebody brought it back. It just whatever he did let the left from behind. There should be cell phone readings or paying things or anything to be looked at. And I got a couple questions that I want to ask you about the cell phone and activity because I know from talking to you personally on the phone that you found some exciting stuff. But before we do that, Darren, what is the part that you found on the VCI report that Charlie made where Brian's phone at one hundred and forty six am is somewhere where we didn't expect it to be. Well, I think that's what Bob saying. Is You know that around. You said around too. I think on the report it's at one hundred and forty six. Well, actually said six hundred and forty six and you have to take away the five hours to go to one hundred and forty six. It's over like Canard road, Westfield road, kind of like in that area where there's a there's a grass air strip there and it has a twenty five hundred meter radius that it says it's within twenty five hundred meters of that GPS coordinates right correct o'clock hour. But something, and I wasn't in my memory one hundred and forty six, hundred and thirty six, one hundred and fifty six, but we're confident to say that it was before the two o'clock hour. So yeah, yea that location and I don't know what you guys saw. The rest of the numbers that look for me like sat there for some times. It well, I think that one. It's sat for four minutes in that area and then it moved to a carson woods GPS coordinate where it's sat for like several hours. I think we're kind of thinking that maybe Carston Woods is just where his phone is registering what he's at his office. Okay, I'm not sure, and that's why, you know, I'm calling on anyone listening that has more expertise in this to know. It would be amazing if it wasn't. Still we already have a contradiction into the official narrative. And then I know that we got to talk about the calendar update and MTM connections to perfect perfect in the information that BCI release to us the extraction files. I don't know if they forgot the Claret or if they just thought there was nothing there and they released it, but information that we found that Bryant's phone has supposedly a calendar event that Lin the Boer spoke of, which she said this was open up to a red screen meet with irate residents, which is, you know, let me stop you there. Did why would Brian, in the middle of his suicide or whatever, put that in there? And and just the way that he wrote the calendar meeting, it's just like meeting with angry resident. It's so weird. That's interesting. One would think, as much speculation and talk went on prior to this day, that everybody seemed to know what's going on with a Brian in his irate resident. I would think that calendar event would have been in his phone three, four, five,...

...six days a week right over Brian made that appointment to meet with that resident. What we see from the data entry in one of the extraction files at that calendar event to meet with irate resident on that morning was not put into his phone until somewhere around thirty five o'clock in the morning was made. Yeah, and can I tell you something else about that? One of our listeners, her name is Maria, she's been doing some digging on this too and she's been posting it. And when you account for the fact that we're doing GMT time on this particular entry, that wasn't made until after eight in the morning pull, which puts US way past the timeline of when the police. You know, I've already stumbled onto the bloody crime scene that Brian is. Supposedly finishes suicide and is driven himself or started a suicide and driven him self to Chiplea Lake to complete the deed. Right. Well, that's when, the best that we can tell. So what that was created to see. UTC TIME FOR THIS ONE IS UTC five. So if we're seeing four am, it was same for am. Or UTC plus five. Shouldn't okay, well, should again. It will go back and in clarify that, but there are posts and I will put them up where is showing that it is more like eight o'clock when that was made. And I know I kind of stepped on my point two about it, but how strange is it that if Brian was stressed about this upcoming meeting with an angry resident and he had created like kind of a confederation of his other CO workers to all the way up to having Sanford hide and in way to meet this guy that, why would he a need to make a calendar entry about it? Because it'd be something that would have been on his mind the whole time, right? I mean, he's supposedly involved everyone in the office about this meeting with Egger resident and best case scenario he's making this entry four hours before the meeting. worstcase scenario is obviously he was murdered and somebody involved in his death made that to leave people off the trail. But no matter how you cut it, it's strange that we even see a calendar entry for it. I agree hundred percent. It almost leads back into this best case is so crazy. If you were trying to stage a crime scene, stage of suicide in your story all week had been I've been, Oh crap, I got to put this meeting in here. Yeah, sure, sure, you know I've always agreed with the cops of this state the crime scene, with stage. I just don't think that Brian staged it. Yeah, I agreed that it was. In my opinion, from what I see, it does look stage. I don't think I mean this is too complicated of a case. I mean somebody that wants to commit suicide it's going to be a one and done. I know it said it before. Everybody knows Brian Shy of being a navy seal. He was involved in some pretty high elite task force. He was a weapons man. I think it would have been it would have been a stabbing. It would have been so complicated. Hide the body, hide the phone, evidence, trying covered up. I think he would have used a gun and it would have been over. And we wouldn't have all the speculations that we have today. It's just even for being staged. It's slowly done. Yeah, I mean I totally agree with you. And then, you know, there's some other things that I always think about that, no matter who you are or what you were, generally when you're committing suicide you're not in what we would call the right frame of mind and in what we see from this case is that you know somebody, whether it be Brian, which I don't believe, or I really believe that this somebody's trying to stage it. But the...

...amount of thought that goes into a lot of this, it doesn't make sense. I mean it's like they're purposely spreading bread crumbs for us to find out even be a suicide. There's too many details from a loving family, a loving wife, you know, three beautiful daughters. He was close with his dad, with his brother's friends, up the GALORE. I mean he was everybody, like Bryant. I mean even the people that worked with him late Bryant. A lot of people speak how highly is how highly. It's very highly of them. He was the one guy that would come around and and part of whatever was going on and wanted to be there. I mean a lot of the people the Fire Department says the same thing that you know was the only guy that would come in and check on us and see if we needed anything and cook a meal for us and bring it to the fire station. It's just something that he wanted to do. He was he was, you know, part of the community. He wanted to be there. So for him to be who was, to do the things that he did, to just choose an out like this just absolutely does not fit a motive, not the person. It is right. So so, Bob, going back to that, paying back on on Westfield and Canard right in that area. What? What do you think, Brian, because what doesn't make sense is is if you look at the video footage of him coming into the township haul, he comes from wedgewood down towards the gas station and then makes the left into the township hall. From the video footage we've got at least, that's the car that they're claiming is Brian's. They were on one hundred and fifty and the tower changes around one hundred and fifty. But the goofy part is is why, at one hundred and forty six. Would he be on the other side of the lake, where the more direct line would be to go right past the Clark gas station and turn right, you know what I mean? And or his vehicle could have been in one location and Bryan and or his home could have been another location. That's that's what I'm wondering too, is there's a theory that somebody drove his car, somebody watched his car, somebody plays his car. The leak where they found it? Yeahs there supposedly there was a blood fountain, a Service Bay. If that's where his vehicle was washed, a sad thing because now we have people that have worked with him on a daily basis, that we're close to him in a daily basis, could be involved. So what the Service Bay you're talking about in the at the township? Correct? Okay, Yep, I never identified or whatever. Yeah, they never identified that blood, identified that blood. The cops that tell me about a Hispanic employee that might have cut it. So that's another reason I'm saying Hispanic employee is because that's that's all we got from the detective was a there's an Hispanic employee there that may have cut himself, but yet they never match the blood. You know, you're right, and they did. Every didn't bother checking it and they didn't check it. Ever, the same blood as Brian's in the office. You know, why would even guys? I know, it just blows your mind right. It's almost as crazy at throw it away. Knife's at a crime scene where somebody was I've never heard of more knives going missing and a stabbing, you know, to it murder that we're dealing with. It's insane. And what do you think about it? Like you don't know what happened, you just stumble onto a bloody, messy office and you find a knife for like, I don't think this is related in any way to all the blood that I'm finding. Like...

...how does that? Let me clean up for you. Good. This guy, nice, police are had an account. That should be the first day. He got all a's in the cleaning section of please again, in processing scene, fast after they found it at the lake, after they suspected it was washed. There's no mention of that blood being tested or checked after that point. Definitely matched Bryan's or, you know, is this possibly? You know another blood source that's unidentified? Yeah, just slop the investigation. One of the followers on the page made a comment that there's been better investigations done on on the kids, show paw control. What are these guys doing and why are they? Why are they, you know, the law enforcement? I mean there's so many things that are right there. Something as symbol as a cell phonpings. Look at them, see where they go. Don't just say, oh, he left the building and then went to the lake. I mean, yeah, it doesn't add up, BOB, and shouldn't be up to us. It shouldn't be up to people like us. Figured out. You know that Nashville by me. They happen around Christmas. That blown up RV. They find like a dead scorch body and the like. The next day they're making an arrest at somebody's house. Sure, Madonna PD, they have all in the sheriff's apartment. They have all this information and it's like they didn't even bother checking it it, just throw it away, pieces of evidence and not following the leads that they should have been following sense. I also want you to talk about the MT M connection. Is that? Am I saying that right? I think it's an MP connection, MTP connection. Okay, yeah, what is that? Is compared to like a USB connection okayn in the phone allows that fault to communicate with other electrical devices and may include information or file transfers. With that being said, if that connection was was done on Bryan's phone and if it was locked, because nobody seems to be able to get into the phone, there were some things done to access the phone to put that calendar event for that morning to meet direct residents, because with the MTP connection they access them Ei numbers, which is the really find small numbers usually find on the back of your phone. I think you're ve number to your vehicle and tell the exactly what you have and who you are, and that's how the phone tower companies, the phone companies, connect your phone to the world connection. Still Interesting, the MP connection accessing Brian's calendar. They did a screenshot from Brian's phone. That showed up in the records as well with the time stamp of around eleven o'clock. There's a filled download done on Brian's phone and then it was backed up though a lot of technical stuff that went on to a guy's phone who's body was supposedly awesomewhere, disappeared, but at the same time left at the office, which brings me to another a question. Why are there no pictures of that phone? Was the phone really there, you know, for a later time? Or even better, if we back to the scenario with the Jews, they know he was wearing his boots. You know, who looks at people's shoes or people's boots to know he was wearing boots. For cell phones down on a table, I couldn't tell you who cell phone it is. So at a glance, could somebody have seen a phone and assume that it was Brian's phone? Have not even made it back to the lotuilding and that's why there's no pictures of it. That's a good point about the picture. Yeah, there there is no picture in the BCI file of any cell phone whatsoever, especially...

...if his phone was open up to a red screen that said irate resident meeting. Why would you not want to have a picture of that? Why is that not evidence if you're trying to sell me the story that nobody else was involved or somebody else was involved, or if you're going to even know if the irate resident exists? Yeah, the focus off of looking in another directly. Well, what a good point about the picture, though. That's no, that's huge. I mean, you know, and I went back and listen to interviews last night and you know I mean Costello mentions it and Rick Evans mentions it. Now, this is the hard part, is these are interviews that are done in two thousand and nineteen, you know. So they've all talked with each other, but they both collaborated that there was the phone was sitting like right as soon as you walk in with you know. But you know, it's just it's just too weird that there's no photos of it. It's just an easy, obvious thing. It's part of the crime scene. Those pictures of inside the garbage can everything. I'm ashamed of us for never even thinking about that. That is and what is yeah, what is the reasoning? Mask called Mike Costello outside in the parking lot. They both go inside and continues to describe the scene and says he sees Brian Sam sitting on the secretary's death and so honestly, not noticed it before? Or was it not there the first time? You walk through. Another one of these questions that they collaborated, because what happened, right, what they tell us. Yeah, well, it's just so weird that like. I mean, would you ever put on your phone meeting with anger, as it didn't to make a show up on your whole green and more like no, put Brown that resident, irate resident. Who would put it in their phone? Like that's a good point. I mean a little further than that, with all the people who tell their story that Brian was meeting with an irate resident. Nobody asked to the irate resident was right that morning, or did he call and say, Hey, I'm a meeting with Brian, but I see all this commotion going on. Should I schedule and come back where he is? Like now I'm even angrier because I don't have my meeting. That resident seem to have appeared into the scene and then just disappeared as fast as the lightning just gone. You know, there is no records of the angry resident. I mean like he obviously never got any satisfaction that you never had a meeting. He never had ever since. Are's grievance, but it doesn't exist. It's something that's been in the back of my mind and and I would think it would have come forward that he had a meeting with this guy and he never showed off, because if I was at irate resident and there's a thought that somebody might have my name, that I was meeting with him and then all of a sudden he's dead. I think I would want to clear my name if I was at irate resident. Yeah, I have a meeting, so I don't know. I really think that the calendar entry is his damning. I mean whether and we can argue, let's look at the UTC time. We could argue about the timing, but somebody took a screenshot. We...

...know from what we know from Brian's phone that somebody took a screenshot at that on his phone and that it looks like the entry was created at for in the morning. Even if it was created at for in the morning, it makes no sense. But we're connection. They are putting stuff in the remotely. That's what has to be about. File transfers between, you know, at least two or more than two devices. So well, I think if they got into Brian's phone it's to a race things not. I mean, I guess maybe add stuff. They obviously added the calendar entry. I was reading about MTP and the way it works. It only it can only take and put back. The workaround is once you take it, you can edit it and then put it back and edit it. So you could take his calendar contact so after that created. But it's primarily for media. The M and MTP stands for media. So I don't think a lot of images and sounds and stuff like that. But it on Android, it could. It could just kind of stand for everything, I think too. So what it Brian has on his phone that they would want, you know, other than right cover, there doesn't no matter what. That's weird. Yeah, exactly exactly, because I'm obviously he didn't mean unless he transferred it to a township office computer and if it's four am UTCU had FIBS to be nine bleeding all over the place. Yeah, right, would that be after he's gone anyways? And they should have had it in their possession. There'd be no reason for pools with it. Yeah, in the fact that I'll wait us is the goodest phone did a complete backup. Who goes to its their office to commit suicide and then before they do is thinks act. Well, I need a back up my entire phone just in case. You know, I don't want any of my Dada to be corrupted. I want to make sure they know that everything is seriously when will that be one of the last things on your mind? I mean you might if you were going to commit suicide and you're already right mind, which is kind of an oxymoron, you might want to make sure that your wife and kids are taken care of and things like that at times, turn off the oven, something like that. Well, you're not really going to be worried about making sure that you can come back and retrieve all the data that's on your prompt and shattered. I hate you, I'll miss you. To me if you're going to fit the character, yeah, from our time. If you have to go, you, yeah, I see the picture. Yeah, thing note, and again this is just something that was related to me on the morning that this all happened, which is to remain anonymous, set me this information that when they heard it happen, they, in disbelief, went to Brian's page and supposedly brank's page was already memorialized. So we don't have that definite that's information that we're trying to figure out. But if that morning that he disappeared, his account is already memorialized and they don't know where he's at, and if he's coming back or that they're going to find him two months later. The fact that that would be memorialized that quickly as pretty bizarre. It's extremely bizarre. Hopefully one day we'll get answers from facebook about who's behind that and how that happened and maybe you can find out what those messages were. But I mean, anyone that is still holding to the idea that Brian was acted alone is insane. There is no way that that Brian was alone. You know, we have...

...some that the mechanics itself doesn't work for him to be where he was or going to have entered the lake where they said he entered it as a lightly snow covered day. The lake was frozen. There were no footprints, there's no blood trail, but yet you're going to continue to tell me that he walk the edge of the lake to find it a tree or wooded area to lay down and expire. Just does not fit. I don't believe it. I don't think of our followers believe it. It was not an act alone kind of situation. Again, Ryan was a big guy. I believe case gets solved. You're going to probably see anywhere between probably for and ten indictments. Wow, that's just my opinion, my speculation, just there's just too many different things that don't fit. I mean we're touching on justice c all bone. There's a lot of files, there's a lot of sureneance cameras, there's a lot of pictures, there's a lot of phone information. Yeah, I think it's I think it's going to get crazy. It's going to continue to get crazier and I think you'll probably end up doing another podcast sometime soon. So I'm looking forward to doing the podcast. When they they either reopen the case we're get indictments because ultimately, you know, we all want the same thing. We want justice for Brian Makran and justice for his family and we just hope that it happens soon. And you know, they've already been waiting for years. I hope they don't have to wait much longer. Fresh everything that you brought to us. Is there anything else that we should know before we go? Say is to the listeners on both facebook and on the podcast. If you're a resident of a Dina, regardless of what punchip you live in, I would be I rate that this is happening in your backyard, that they close the case and refused to find the answers that the public deserves. They're ultimately, I think we're going to see that these people that are responsible for this live amongst us. That's the bottom line. These aren't outsiders. These are people that were close to Brian, people that knew Brian, people that knew how to get to Brian, and that's the scary part. I would be I rate. I would be calling the prosecutor, I'd be calling my shareff, I would be demanding answers. I would be demanding that this case gets open and saved. The people a night and rest their heads should have to walk around their city in fear or with eyes on the back of their heads because these people are walking amongst us. They there's somebody's neighbor, there's somebody's brother, there's somebody's uncle or sister or aunt cousin. I think that's pretty clear that. You know this needs to be fault and I think we are all in that's agreement. Well, absolutely. Thank you very much much, Bob. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks for all your hard work and keep digging. Don't quit, and we won't either, and I guess we'll be in touch everything you're doing. PHENAL, look forward to all your podcasts. A podcast guy, which is bizarre, and I started on this a personal level, but just listening how you guys put this stuff together and you get the people involved is one. So Y we pretty good. We just covered a lot of ground with our interview with Bob and we still have a whole other interview to do. We're about to talk to Scott and get his update, because he's finding a lot of interesting stuff too. Plus, you know, the guys and I, we want to go over what we've heard and kind of unpack that and give our impressions. So just because of them the length basically of this episode, I decided to split it into two. So the next one, with our update from Scott, is available immediately. You can download it right now, you can stream it right now. So that is going to be our update on the...

...macary port with Scott and that is available right now, so go ahead and listen to it. And lastly, I wanted to let you know that a lot of the stuff that we're referencing, whether it's the GPS coordinets and some of the video clips and things like that, is available right now on our web page. So if you're curious about what these things look like where you think that you can help, go ahead and check it out. So that'll be at ww dot invisible ships podcastcom and just if you find anything you got to let us know. Okay, guys, I want to let everybody in on a little secret. The invisible ship's PODCAST team doesn't always one hundred percent agree, even amongst ourselves, and I think that's important. I think it's healthy. Just like how you guys out there listening, you probably don't always agree with everything or our take on everything, and that's healthy and it's important. We want to honestly look at the facts and honestly report on the stuff that we're learning, and so we in no way want to mislead you and I think it's important that you know that we don't always see eye to eye and everything. So when Bob brought up the calendar entry with angry resident, I'm very excited about that. I think this is a big deal. Danny wanted any stress this point and we're going to talk about it some more in our next episode about how the time couldn't have been for in the morning we're going through the BCI file and we see that the police did some kind of screen grab on Brian Macran's phone and they did this at about eight hundred and twenty two in the morning. If we apply UTC time, which is a universal time that the cellar towers are using, and that is about four hours from eastern standard time, we would arrive at this being created at four in the morning, and I think, and I agree with my brother, that that is probably a mistake, that this date that we're seeing on that counter entry was probably the date from when the police made a screenshot of this entry. That being said, I'm still very interested in this calendar update and I still think it's a big deal because, think about it, Brian Machron has a meeting with an angry resident and he's nervous enough about it that he's pulled in his other colleagues, supposedly to lie in wait and make sure that nothing happens. Now, Brian macron is a professional and he's in a job that involves public service. So don't you think that Brian machron would have learned this guy's name and generally what his complaints were, instead of just agreeing to meet with an angry resident and also, if he had so much trepidation about this meeting, you know, why would he put the calendar update in his phone and leave it as generic is that? Remember when the police found Brian Machron's phone. We're told they found it in the office and that it was flashing with a red alert on there. That said, meeting with an angry resident. It's an important, key piece of evidence. It deserves all the attention that we can give it and it deserves to be discussed and debated honestly. All right, that's it. I'm getting off the soapbox. Make sure that you go to our next episode, part two of this it's available right now, where we talked to Scott and we're going to have plenty of time after that interview where we kind of go over this stuff in further detail. Okay, thank you.

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