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Episode 11 · 11 months ago

Murder Lake 6

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Victoria describes the day they found Bryon in Chippewa Lake. We learn about identical cars and a floundering investigation. America's strangest "closed" case gets a little stranger

Welcome back to another episode of theinvisible ships, podcast, I'm sure by now. Everyone is aware that ForstThompson washed his hands of the Brian Makron case. That's right! Yesterday,Atapress Conference, Madina County Prosecutor, Forest Thompson officiallyclosed the case. We're left with an undetermined cause of death. There'sgoing to be no help from the calvary you guys, we are it it's going to be upto us and you to crowd source this and to finally get answers and justice forthe Makron family. This isn't over. This doesn't go away just because theprosecutor decides to close the case vile. We had a lot of interest from allover the country, ie a lot of smart people out there that are listening,that are looking into things and we got people who are calling constantlypeople that seen things, people that know things and we're going to get tothe bottom thiss. We also have interest from national media, and that may bedeveloping quicker. Now that the cases close will have to wait and see, we aregoing to do an emergency podcast with Dani and Daren, where we're going to goover the press conference, all the contradictions and just everyone'sgoing to give their take on it, because that was a big moment in this case, andwe need to discuss the episode that you're about to hear was one that wewere already working on and there's a lot of important stuff in this episodethat I wanted you guys to hear. So I didn't want it to get lost in the shelfWull, with all the new developments that are going on with the case. Youneed to hear this victoriand Paul do a very good job of laying out somestrange things that were going on around them at the time that Ryandisappeared, and these are things that were not brought up in the BressConference and you're not going to hear it most of it has even been in themedia, but we're bringing it to you all Victoria, telling you what theywitnessed in their own words, and so I wanted to play for you. I didn't wantetto get lost, let you just start we're Goinna jump in with DNY and Darren aswe're kind of recapfing, some stuff that we learned from the last episodeand go over a few things that we now have more insight on it, ready Portak off time for the invisibleships podcast, where we talk about everything from true crime to te trulyweird invisilotions podcast. I think one of the the important thingswe need to do is clarify the wallet, so I made the mistake of assuming that thewallet was with the cellphone and actually like Victoria, called me outlast week. He said this was like an episode two or three of them erearly. Ithink it was episode three, if I remember right of top of my head thatwe that I mentioned like you know about nowallet, no cell phone, you know what they had that stuff in the office turns out Brian left that morning,without his wallet, so you ever leave the house wit Thaut,your wallet very rarely right either ever is it. It's always wallkey's phoneright and that's kind of weird, even that early in the morning and now mask,but you know yeah, I mean I mean to behonest with you like you know, since no one really knows me, but I keep mywallet actually my car pretty much all the time. So I mean it's like rightthere, it's always with me. So I don't know. Maybe maybe it wasjust something like happen senceand. You know. I asked a couple peopleeverybodjus have to let everyone know what you drive. Aye Ia Wallet, Yeah,it's a blue Ford focus no right, but that does kind of maybe illustrate hisframe of mind at the time it hes frantic it that w'll be pretty much theonly time. Ye may be forget something as basic as a wall actually doesn't say,frantic to me that says that this was something that was only going to take aminute take a minute or he didn't want to be identified. I think visage is me, and I don't haveany evidence to lead me to think this- that whatever that text message wasabout Itas going to be a quick little. I need you to give me this. I need youto open the door for me, something like that like where he he expected to getout of bed, drive yo on there unlocka door or meet somebody real, quick andthen go back home, but that's all just Sumeposition, that's just arletely onme, but I would say that leaving your wallet ifthat was the case, itwould be a totally natural kind of thing to do. I could, Iguess its Por, like two sides of the coin right, but it could be either yeahthis coan take two seconds. I don't need it or I'm in such a rush. I forgetit or I don't want it. You know yeah. Wegot o think about that too. I mean we don't know. Let me if we knew theanswers, then you know in this case would be Sol okay. So the idea that hedoesn't want to be identified make a lot of sense because you want to of theone places that you wase one of like three or four people, a yeah e to dosomething and you knon be identified by like a cop. If you got pulled over orsomething sothat, I don't know, I mean you need money pretty much anywhere,but I guess probably the most obvious I...

...example would probably be he thougt. Hewould be in an out really quick. You guys brought up about boots and thewhen I kind of teased laps episode. You know here we are with it. You know theinformation about Daren, Mackron, calling BCI and they're saying. Well,we have his boots the mind you. We don't have Brian out of the lake. Yetat this point right and they're saying they have his boots, you know what's who who hag thit WerTher Whel? Hey? Whose boots are they be? Why were they tagged as Brian's? Or isthis just like a gross error in the BCI K O to boorit behind the fire? Yes,that's exactly what I think it was. I think that what Brian The painnter toldus, it wasn't a shoe print. He said, found a bootprint. I think that must bewhath the deputies or whoever was you know, doing the processing the crimesene discovered. So they see a bloody boo print, they're thinking guyswearing boots, but they have boots at the BCI from y understanding of thisinterview right from before they recovered the body. Correct, yeah, that's and that's what we're saying.Even on the last episode, they sure know an awful lot about his footwayerfor someone they haven't found. Yet right. You know, that's a huge concern,so obviously Brian was recovered and Brian did not have boots on now. He didhave O my understanding shoes on, but he did not have boots on. So where are these boots at who taged themand who marked them as being briants? I think, most importantly where, in thatoffice, were they discovered, like yeah IA, Agree Brian as a trustee orany of the trustees, I coal imagine say: There's development going on somewherethe township, so you may have boots that you leave there that you'rerequired to go out and inpect something or look at it, parcel land that they'rethinking about buying so you're, going to change in your office into theseboots and go there and then come back and change back into your shoes,something like that as cison beyond the realm of Possibilit, it's possible, sohe could have had boots there. They use for things like that and from everything I've gathered fromeecially with nexus coming in. You know, but everything I've gathered fromVictoria Brian wasn't like a boots: Guy wwas, fulltime dors day job or whateverwas a jewelry salesman, that's sort of the opposite of a boot guy you'd,probably wearing nice, dress shoes and looking nice because you're going tonice places and also you got to figure it when he left his house, he didn'tbring his wellet. So is he going to like tie on these? You know boots andlace them all up, or is he going to slide on some like quick slip on shoesthat he wore every day? So right so I mean, I guess, just maybeforget the body devl theory, I'm just trying to find a way to organize thesecertain strains we have going on. Maybe this is more of the theory of try to account for evidence they mightfind by pinning it on Brian instead of whoever that really was, and that wouldbe maybe a large person on camera. Maybe the boots right is that kind ofthe line that we're sort of IMEAN, that's kind of where I'm at is. Whywould you like? Why did DAREN call down there? Then this is all Pervictoria'sinterview, but why did Darryn mackron call down there to BCI and they talkabout his boots when they clearly weren't his boots? Nor was he recovered,but we know we have boot prints in the townchip office. In the last interviewyou know there was a lot of conversation about guns, surplus gunsand sale of guns, and you know I think Ricki. You mentioned that at theclosing kind of making that question like,where are you at Roocki? With these these guns? Thit Gr, is the sherifs offof selling these guns, or, what's going on, I don't know, I mean they certainlydenid doing that right, their official STAMAS, they don't sell guns to thegeneral public. I just haid always kind of wondered, and I remember when weactually were doing that interview thinking. The back of my head did BrianSee something on a police right along that he maybe wasn't meant to be Seng,and I you know we're not anti police. I don't think any of us are we we want justice, we want bad people,punishand good people rewarded, but we don't have an acto grind with thepolice department and I'll say even in the framing of some of these questions,like was the sheriff's epartment selling guns. You know we don't know how the worldworks, it wouldn't be the shares department, it would be a dude thatworks for the shares department, an individual, bad actor yeah and thatwould probably an any of these pasts and wherever this sunds up and there'schances. We might be learning things sooner rather than later about wherethis might be going Su staitune for that, but wherever itends up, it's not going to be that you know just speaking plainly andrealistically he's not going to be that Mydini county fails as a completedepartment. Despite what my some people might want to say right, I said therewas things drop, they don't hand a lot of murders, maybe there's soeonecrooked. I honestly don't know right, but I don't think it's the whollapartment. I mean. I think you got to...

...look at every single possibility whenwe have something that's been onsolved for four years. So going back to thegun thing, that's what I was kind of wonderininglike did. He potentially see something or know about something that was goingon, that he shoudn't have known about, or they didn't want him to know about,and we know that in Ohio and some of the listeners have addrussice and Idon't know if we talked about it preuously or not, but we'll talk aboutit again. I know we had private conversationsabout it. That sales between individuals and Ohio isnot illegal. I could Seyl you a gun. You could tell me a gun as long as youshow me ID that you're a state resident that I don't know that I don't believeo ore felland. I don't believe you're going to use the gun, the Committifilmme and then all paperwork to that. So it's there is not haperwork required.No, but guns purchased by a sheriff's apartment or any other governmentalentity are purchase with text paradollars. So they can't do that they woul'd have to. I don't know what the procedure wouldbe, but there would have to be some accounting of what was going on,because that money would have to actually belong to the taxpayer. Allright, I don't know, that's enough to get anyone killed. Well, I think also Imean like so. We are hearing this technically third hand here, and Ithink we got to keep in mind that a lot of times when a rep comes into that isrepresenting a gun company. They will offer to the deputies for myunderstanding the good price to purchase a firearmthat same fire, I'm that they're going to carry and kind of extend that offeras to their them as civilians. So it wouldn't be unrealistic if Brian knew asheriff who was having a good offer from a representative and then turnaround and buying it from that sheriff's deputy, maybe NW, OLspeculation. I don't know who it is, but someone who would have access tothat kind of a deal, and that's that's technically not illegal. So I mean thatthat could be an explanation. That's completely legal! In this situationthat could' explain the fires. We real are purchasing and bulk, so they couldsay you know we need guns for seventeen deputies, but we can make it eighteen,you just pay that you pay Yo cash and then register it. Underneath your nameright, you know and on the whole scale like means Modev an opportunity is gotta, it's not a super high likelihood means or motive for her I mean, butstill did you see something else on a riht, Alan or know about something elseI mean you could have saw soin driving to work, but if we're going with ride,alongs ere going with something than he saw what if he saw something when hewas at on December fifteen at the winking lizard and that's somethingwhere I'm going to call thim out, but our coin guy m. You know and I'm veryinterested in an interview with him, because he has information that wehaven't quite come out with yeah coing. We want you to come on the show one day.Okay, we would love to have you on the show. We talked to him on the backsideof things. He he's a very anonymous person, but heeverything he's told us is checked out and we double check behind this guy.Everything has told us as been good information. I think that he's the realdeal what he needs he wants to protect his identity, and we, of course respectthat, but we would really love to have him come on the show, N, Winda,andother, Stat tuned situation, yeah o things in the works. Oh there's so muchstuff in the work and big things, we've been giving shot us to our listenersand totally deserving OBI guys because you've helped us and you really are theones that did it at elevated this case from something that was four years oldand kind of legging as a cold case into something that were putting it back onthe forefront. And I keep saying it. But it's true, that's the kind of thingthat makes things happen that makes politicians realize that they got a jobto do. It makes them get on the investigators and- and we can't letthis be a forgotten cold case and you're, the ones that are doing that,keep it up. Coming keep doing your thing: Web slose, everyone all thepeople that arve given us tips and if I could make a shout out, roal quick, isjust a jump on Rik j Ramiraz on websites. I Love Yes, yeah! You arerobinivers. I read a lot of Tu. You are driving from another county to scope itout and we love it. Keep posting we're reading you what you got and said: okay,ses for doing all this Lut's just say with everything with the facebookcommunity, that's growing and the Youtube and on our website, wwwinvisible ships podcastcom like we're actually kind of grown in community andpeople are signind up and joining, and it's becoming so dynamic and we'rehaving people ask us. This is great. We all this after Brian mackren, what youguys doing and we're still fishing for that still try to figure out where tokind of shift our focus next, but wherever wit goes. We want to bring youguys with us because we're going to just keep crowd sorching this stuff andwe're going to look for another small town kind of cold case that just needsthe bullhorn of twenty thousand listeners thes. What we have we'regetting more, but I think we got to go...

...back to you just mentioned facebook. Ithink that we've got some like interesting debacle here of Victoriarequesting a meaning with sentner about the case. She finally got her case andthen here we are and what is he bringot? He brings out a bunch of facebookmessages. I know everybody's thinking, I'm thinking was the facebook messenger message inthat stack of papers. You know we don't know why, wouldn'tthey say I mean for as far as everyone knows, that's Faulote case no one toretrieve that message right. We is that, as farther one knows, I would assumethe Sharos by now would have they didn't say what the message was likeI'm y bed and Wright. They didn't say that bfor all we know the message could becompletely unrelated. WHOD, be like Christina likes your comfit. They got out of be yeah, fore or, andthen he ran to the down Thait, no John Smith added to his story, yeahos fora.While now, but we don't know- I mean it looks very, very suspicious, and so wewould love to know what it is, and there are people in various differentfacets working to get that, but I mean one thing: Did he sell jewelery onfaceway? I know that selling things on facebook is popular mediums are popularporths pickofs UN popular, but could it be an item that was considerable amountof money and which woull be stupid to do it do in the morning, but I mean theguy say like he didn't want to to know where he lived like I'll meet you here.If you listen to Victoria, he sold jewelry to stores, so that doesn't seemlikely, but we do have information that he did also carried jewelry and try tosell it privately right. My fell, se Lik wenever mind right yeah. I mean, I think that and I wecoul uthsne. I think thathe did sell some jewelry on the side a little bit that we don't know if he sold it liketwo Jewler stores. Resoun, don't know if e we PIB shouldnt put that in therewe an go up to the facebook part. Okay, so you know the interesting thing is:Is The sheriffs office brings out facebook message now? I think this isbefore Victoria has realized that the message T I got bran out of bed was, webelieve to be a facebook messenger message. The question is s in thatstack, and so I reached out to Victoria this week and asked her you know like:Is there a chance that it would be in there and she said she really did notbelieve so they didn't cover every detail of it. They more just had like aprintout version of mostly facebook posts that he had and she's like Wel. Ialready know this stuff, I'm friends with them because he's my spouse, youknow, and so from my uwnderstanding, and I just want to provide clarity thatwas not discussed in that meaning about that facebook. MESSENGER message. Nordo we have any evidence that they had that message at the time we got to talkabout Michael Taylor and that interview was so clutch thatwe were able to snag, and so thank you so much my o for coming forward, but that timeline fits with sentnerstimeline as far as the car right yeah he so like setter set in his timelinethat Brian Markron arrived at undred nd fifty the morning and that part we gotsome conflicting information on and then, according to David Setnhere, theyhave video of. We still don't know if they have videofriand, macron camera or with a vehicle that Briam macronas driving, leavingthe township hall at about sixtwenty four a he said from multiple sources.So it sounds like there's a couple: different cameras, that's on yeah andwe don't have access to the cameras and from even Paul Hartman. I haven'theard and he's very thorough with what he's investated so far and I got Ta, Igotto give a shot Ot. The Paul Pause definitely been spot on with everythingthat we come up with and stuff we come up with. He is right. There, with youknow he already he has in his notes and it's amazing, but he keeps beingpruene right, yeah absolutely, but we haven't found the video. So we wouldlove to see the video. So if you're out there and you're listening to us andyou provided video, we want to see it and we would love to know if you cantruly see Brian in there or if you can just see a black Chevy Equinox, becausethat makes a huge difference in this case, because we know motiple peoplehave Chevy equinoxes that are black. That in that could really actually liketie somebody even Alice, involve in w multiple trustes Han had the same exactcar for a while yeah. We brought this up in the last episode and again, even if it ended up being my costels Vdoesn't necessarily mean anything other...

...than we have to roll out that evidenceright. You know and- and I agree with that right now, but we do have moreinformation coming about that SUV and just stay tune, because there'sinformation, you guys be the judge. You know we try to be as impartial aspossible, so what about Michael Taylor's account of that person? Sowhen I was looking at this and mapping this out, I always pictured. They wouldwalk North on Beach Ad Boulevard because it's a flat ground area and itgoes directly out towards Chipwa road. I aways kind of figured that's the easyway in and out, but Michael Taylor's account is this guy went south, whichis a hilly train which heads towards the abandoned amusement of park whichhad towards motible houses, and he wasn't dressed like for the weather atall, probably headinto, a car you know and which is interestingbecause I mean like okay, you could cut possibly along the shorelines going tobe very kind of treacherous right through there and then cut possiblythrough the abandoned amuseming park, but then also like Michael Taylor's.Account of the gentleman that was looking in the car that then walkedtowards the abandamusent park did not fit the description of Brian mackrenright. No and did not have the clothes on that Brian mackrer had when he wasfound in the lake right right. So clearly a separate person and then wegot to talk about Victoria's account of this interview with Michael Taylor, wwebelieve had another gentleman that they saw around a you shed right and thatfits with early witness accounts that we received, that a person was see nearthe car and behind the shed. So that would be at least two people there atthe scene. Right and I guess somebody came forward to Victoria Maccron at thelake one day. I think for the the polar ber jomy right and told them. Thetfamily member had seen that yeah and now I was hinging on that part of theinterview right where Paul Stops Victoria about this other eye, witnessthat we can't we don't know about, but obviously it's a huge eye, witness thatPaul, an Victoria found wil before us and you asked if they vinted it andPaul said. Yes, it's good information, so we don't know- and I'm excited you know H- that they have thatinformation. I wish that I knew it if I knew it and I was allowed to share withyou guys you Betya, you know, we'd be sharing it, but and let me speculatereal quick and we can see where this ends up being, but theway the Paul jumped in and said, don't go there don't go there. It's goodinformation. Twe can't talk more. I wonder if that witness is involved insomething legal that is tied up right now. It must be something big I mean hedidn't even want us to catch wind of it. Now what we do know- and I have gotall's promise that when this is all done, you guys have got to come backand listen because we're going to be putting more episodes out we're gettingpeople that want to talk. We wave people that want to talk after thiselection we've got people that want to talk after the case is closed. We'vegot big sources that want to talk and they're dying to know and just toconnect. The DOTS there again remember we're doing a small town cold casewhich has sort of tendrils leaking in to the upper ashlons of vocal politicshere. So we kind of have to wait till things settle down after the Novembergeneral election before certain people are willing to talk to us to stay tunedand then also whenever this all raps up, we would love to do an extendedinterview with PA hartment and just to get his take on this and kind of here.If he can tell us more about the things that he right now has to limit himselfon yeah absolutely and our goal is never to bea in the way of theinvestigation. We've got to talk about the re. The cloth that had other DNAnow remember sentners statement, which Paul now is saying that he juststraight outlide. Maybe he didn't have the information I don't know, but we'vegot other DNA in that office on a cloth close to that utility sink where bloodwas found. That has other DNA and, what's so, what's the verification forthis, though? Right now, are we just taking Paul's word, which is good word,but is that what we're going with does anybody else have any other informationon this case? They want to share because we'd love to hear it, but thisis what we got. You know so there's other DNA. Now we do know which wecan't talk about yet, but we know that there's activity in the case, you knowwe know things are moving. Obviously they o things are happening. This would be. You know this couldpotentially be huge with the DNA but...

Paul put like a big dent in the whole sheriff'seapartment ability at gathering DNA and keeping it safe when he talked abouthow, when they were collecting DNA samples from various people, whoeverwas administering the test. Never changes loves Ando. All that wascontaminated, so part of me is hopeful that this will be the nail in thecoffin for the killer, but the other part of me is thinking like well wherethey, if they were indeed that sloppy where they sloppy. With this piece too, I I manto like kill it, everybody feel defeated. This couldpotentially be huge. This could be the thing that ties the killer to the scene,andto everything, but it yeah, and it may go without saying, but I'll say itif there is another source of DNA at the scene. That is huge because thewhole official storyline is there's one source of DNA. No one else was thereyou're supposed to let your mind conclude that he somehow did this tohimself whether it was suicide or accident. So if there's none the sourceof DNA and that just prove that we've been saying this whole time that he methis end in another way by another hand, Yer Right, you can't act alone, as Iquote center, you know and have two das at the crime scene. Okay, let's go back to the interviewwe're going to play from where we left off. Remember Paul Hartman is talkingabout how Brian mackren started the open checkbook for the townships fundand how is there money missing? There's aquestion about it: ther's a question about why they took the open check bookdown for a while w t Wen in two thousand and sixteen all this Suden. They quityou know why Iwihi ID't knowcertainly suggest TMEIUicaly rearityhe, that's what I SSO under during two thousand and sixteenhen. Brian was alive. This stopped going, somebody put an end to it. Well, I know I ha goingonwebsite posingto made a big deal in thenewsmedand. I use at really how this is going to be great. Itstransparent is wonderful, buyear, two thousand and sixty Walof, thishappendat, the Ihusan Ndixteen ortherthere's Funy, missing hy, would youven play that when that'snotan issue, mea yeah, no, I its kind of like you'retrying toauses me to suspet her'Sand Brian possibly knew about it. Is that Wa goods, yeah ybut? ObviouslyVictori you, don't you don't know anything about it, tol him right, but I possib, butdefinitely something to highly consider. You know the Othyr thing I thought wasinteresting. I O read Abo. Let me just say this, so you know somwhere omonetthat in was looking at the atetownships books. Ackin rcoiaaywelldid he discover something that was sufficient enough, because someone to want to kill him. Athe expectationoinformation wild, be ight usright information eucs by the fact that Teyquit using that toiochec book in two thousand and sixteen wiches courshere'sa transaction in question. I in fact they werreay questionable so who hadthe choices to use it or not use it was that just through the trustteeds or isthat through Ubet through the Trustitwa Jus Service? I believe G Foro, I don't think there's anystatutary requirbe to Usit it', Justabot geatway for Towship, toyeahwhy,nottyheyeah interesting. So there's a lot of stuffgoing on in the township right around then you knoact thee was Wa ot. Therewas supposed to be a home for something to do with the pipeline. A few daysafter Bryand had gone missing D yeah.

Just the trustees vote yeah. How wasBrian gonna vote? Did he ever tell you if he was forward or against it? He wasagainst it. He the only one against it, Iwas going to be in our bathyard wo in going through your bad hard and whatwould be the benefit for someone wanting it whell other thanmoney. ISPI Li also raises an interestingissue, because you know that tours was the inspiration of the local committeeto evaluate the effects of thepyplihtonlete community for the county and, as it turns out herown brother Ca, we profited handsomely because theyput to compressor station on his own farm im about that. It's convenient anI had to go just there, Huh yeah, well, a N. I also went through the the township and the country club is some of that property that the fowerslive on was deeded to the country club years ago, so that en or lifelong members, because theygave up property to the country club to be built and to develop so when theycame through with the pipe line it to go through the country club and Ibelieve, your part of what would be their property. So naturally, it's all money, yeahwenhiplines, come through. I've done research on it as well, when pipewinesdevelop in any community state. They look where the infra structure is weak and Thethey, don't just comethrough a stat and make a straight line. They always cervit you'll, see on anypype by map. It's purse, it's Weire to structure, crea or perfect example, wisthe county of green, that those residen funed fotit fatit foutit. And then,when the pion came back and said, hey we're going to give you x amount ofmillions of dollars. Oh miraculously nowl, the judges allapproved it. Oh okay! They can come through now the city of green, whichthey fouhtit for so long. But when they were t turned over to say we're goingto give you x amount of millions of dollars, they took it, they did it andthey took it samething with Madina or Lafia. Theywere looking to build the new fire station oanother issue, another issueand that fire station was going to be built on inabasent park, which the pipelinewould be running through inovation park, and there is township meeting minutes how accurate they may be, but they saidthat they enmade reference. I eit was like. Ican't remember the month October November, she made reference to thepideline coming further and it was going to be too close to the edge ofwhere the building was going to be built and sea reference. An said:that's okay, I think we'll be able to work with them and they'll be able towork it out. Oh so you Gonta go to them and say hi I'mlindoours and I'm justGonto work this out with you. So we can still have the pipeline through here.Wat Yhou make sure fors son, thenoy yeah, but se also makes reference on.We have no say over what the pipeline does iaalso make that in the laterminutes I read yeah ohe Sayi, don't think it's going to be a problem, wellbe able to work it out. Oh really, you know the Ye wit me. The Federal Energy RegulatoryCommission finally endorses the thing and can put tse final stamp on it. Thenit's a done deal, but you certainly have the ability to negotiate what oneWer, how untill that finalized. So that's where she was in the sate yeahand apparently she got what she wanted and probably reap the benefits of it,because the hiher station is built yes yeah. So yes, Noher Issue Hee, I station you know they fuilt the new firestation right on what they calld innivation ar correct, or your what youreference as the Albatrost right. Yes,...

...absolutely is a bunch of shady dealingsaround tat, but I do know n interviewing and again you know Iinterviewd people like to share ASELF is didn't and a Personi interview told me that theBryan tol this person, you could believe all the pribery offers he wasgetting in connection with that fire station o. Now now you got to say well: Did hebecome aware of price other people took, and that was the motive for someone to wantto eliminate him because he became aware of that. You know those arecrimes right right. So what what aboutmaze awful conduct a concrrupt conduct? You know: Where doyou start right? Andyou start the beginning and you look at all of ityeah. So so, where was Brian with the as far as it stands for the firestation with Theproors, he against was all trustes for it. No W was ballard was started out Weniwhen they first put it on the ballet it failed and Bryan said. I believe thatwe need U. Tese Dont want the fire station, at wit, Woud, and the fire Seationon whidge wouldwhere the administration building is or the town hall it was. It was. It was fine priy in the age thirtyforty years ago, but it was a cinger black building. They didn't. Even thosefiremen didn't even have enough room to have storage Bais. Nextto the fire trucks, there was no room to move once they got out. There was noplace to shower after so these guys are going home with you know, soot on their clothes, andyou know contaminets taking it home to Fal, I mean there. Wasn't it wasn'tfeasible what they find now you know firemen need that they shouldn't begoing home with that on their clothes. They shouldn't be breathing that injust a little bit of updates, wel Bryan said we don't have to have the Tamahallor not asking for that, but we're asking for a place Thais Morkisis towhat you know what their work is and what and how tey should be. You knowtreated when they come back from a fire desert, tesearer residen Caesar. You know he saw need for it, so he wentout when it failed. The first time he went out with the hireman and went dorto door past out fire said you know, here's some information just ring upabout it. You know just kind of gave them knowledge thatthe residents didn't have prior to the first vote and the second time they put it on the Vallet and Lindasaid: Look at the residents has spoken. They do not want it, so we're notbuilding it Andbin, so beed for and I'm going tohelp the fireman and we're goingto go out and we're gonna WE'RE gonna. Youknow, give the residents the knowledge and let them vote again. Maybe theydidn't Havte Noleg theyned, the first coll. So that's. What is his not was?It did pass the second time and who took all the credit I'm guessing bowes. He had a freebesovel covered in gold standing outsideInnavaton Park and took the first subl with the other two trustees and guest who she appointed as thesecond trust or the trusty on Brian, went missing who's that the guy who did the search job. OhWeird, interesting, let me just Gess whou see apointed. Let me just Gep in here for a momentand let you know that after I got into this, none of them at the telship would speak.WIR Speaking Castello bowers, the Goof, the Gil Secretary Theaso, you guys dotforget, the that's what Imean so hat a they trying to conceal here right e sombody die omone died. So,don't you think he would want someone to figure out who killed yourcollegue. I ad O Call Na Tokay BN, wet me seer, Tha, the nextday when I drove past the town, all I...

...had to call Linda and asked her to putmissing information on the RP for the Township Building- oh my goodness, butthe church war down the roader. Had that done right I mean. Don't you think someone mustgoes, go Issy, don't you want all hands on Dack? This is like this is. This isserious, especially you know I if they had no knowledge of what happened toyour husband. They might be concerned for their own safety because nobodyknowing what was going on but ther, there's a curious thing about that. Totalk about the CUSTELLO car. Oh, why an I can y enjoy the exact samecar like the show. Ooxit was exactly thesame. Okay, so therre there was orference Brian hadsaid at times like people would confuse them like they go down the street andthink it was Mygobrian Mi Catello. I got a call a few days after Brian wentmissing, FROMLINDOF hours, saying. If you hear what happened to my car, and Isaid no, she was Oh yeah. His grill was kicked in in the tires for slash HM. I believe like on that Saturday. Okay, so he went mid, Brawnn missing onhe pone called me. He called me Sunday morning and said that his tires were slashed in thefront. Grill was kicked in and I first he said to his car and I, when she saidGirl I said Grille Ene his grill in his backyard. She goes no the grill on thecar, I'm like, oh so yeas. He said the grill and the tires were fastd and then, when I went down earlyJanuary to Hane sine excip a Lak, I said something to my face said: Oh, Iheard about your car and the tires and he said Oh yeah. He says I don't havethat car anymore, so do RTR and I gugged andpleted withCaptain Sentner that you need to look. You need to look at everybody, but youneed to look at the car. Bryan was with mine. I always wish Mike the Night of themovie. I don't know Dro. Is They drove together? I don't know if they drowseparate, but you need to look at that and now to come, O find out. He got ridof this car how, soon, after you get rid of his car,that did you know of like what the o within Pola ar was at the edit Ofar Tis happend December, so within thattime December. Sixteen so in in that Im sofi the AR really so that wouldn'teven be enough time to really fix the car if it was if it was bented in andkicked in, like police reports. Okay, please report me because I wantedto know for his tires in the front grill, but I don't know, did he make a plan oninsurance? I HAV IDEA: Did you guys ever have any property damage orvandalism during this time or before it, or did Brian ever mentioned that anyonewas like following him or you know dis he getting confused with this guybefore you know, but I remember across from aDina Country Club they're, building those new homes now,and I knew that Wasin the works at the time, but that right there along thatline it's directly across the street and it runs like from their drivingrange all the way up to Rian Road Andiyeah. They srted Cuttingdon. Allthese trees and Oy Brian was against the pipe win. I'm like we don't wantthat in our backyard. Like that's horrible, like you know how d some people overlook at,they don't think they don't care. They have a new house who cares? It's aPipei and whatever, but the TREIO radius you're considered aninsineration zone. Brokor blue you'd be gone, Andyou know were pretty clos. Iremember driving one day and I said Dryan, Oh my God, look atall those trees. What is going on? I go...

...intead of a pipelind because I don'tnol. I don't know I don't know what they're doing. I don't want to talkabout it, hm Ou. That was weird like I was tying to think of any, and I just remember himsaying at I don't know I don't Knov what they're doing well, I that's whatit is. That's what it was, how many four years later yeah, that'sexactly where the pipe line runs. They've already put it in right right,which is right where the firestation was, which is where the that land, thatthe firsasion Sinton was given by thek county right, yeah, interesting an and what now thequestion Lak going back through and looking at it when they were trying topass the fire Levy with out knowing exactly where the pipeline was going tobe. was that, like some contention with some of the residents and stuff, was that you'retrying to get a building bilt with not even necessarily knowing exactly whereit was going to go because of the variation of the pipeline? Oh Yeah,yeah, a lot of the residents were trying to fight it yeah so th you ens. that could be veryupset because they don't want a fire station and they also don't want topipeline and both of them are happening. At the same same time, let me just circle back to the car forjust a BOEC. If you will yeah it, you seem rather coincidential tat as shon asthis thing eten happens with Brian all of a sudden. CACELLO claims claims his carsandalized because he drives the same kind of car. I mean youcertainly looksuspicious to me as, if he's trying to allay any suspicion that my Sall onhere, Yiu a O, so Yo Git it to my car, to you know what I mean, in other words,Yo might have been a target of some sort of retaliation as well. It's justseemed rather odd, but he was fomly to Bryan, right, ary, bride and him got along go. Okay, Brian would say that my obviously wasLinjus pupit. He had made reference to that, and only because the when I would ask him about how I'eating en or how a vot when he goes. Oh she's mad at me wow and that's how that whole puppet thinghid. You know we mike her puppet. You know whatever window want for myMichael Du and I think we could infer. They were bestbuds. No, no and ther there were times o Brian would say you know Mike wouldsay: Oh you know the fireand can't do this. The firemen are talking o me likethis, and Bin Goes Really Mike you're a giwling adult get over. It grow someballs yea you knit was to the point where op bepetty and ridiculous, you know run the township do what we need to do, and so someone's talking about you whocares like we think if anybody was friends with the fireman, would be himright with his background and everything yeah, Oh yeah, but I don't,I don't think he was, I think to they realized. It wasprobably a conflict. Your truste and you're, a fire fighter, there's kind oflike a man, didn't go and be part of the school board because they said how can you ask for someone'svote for taxes or dat but you're in the township working and asking for money yeah but yeah? You know it's a conflictof interest for the schools and for the tes Tobe Atan trusty whell. I wouldthink that would be the same as a fire fighter and being a trustee, but theylet him do it for. However many years I think that's changed now. I don'tbelieve he's a fireman any longer, but he also does work for Linda powers,realting company, they're kind of inkahuts, almost a Brie, so obviously othe trustees. If you're isolating them, you know Brian would be the one a diedman out, yeah and now affyor TRISD sound likethey're all in the same you know, so they wereplace brying with someone whoyou know is yes likes to have people work with her that think the same wayand that she co mannipulate. That's what it sounds like to me too.

So, are you omeion that, there's orthan enough suspicion to go around in Thi Tianwasound? Going back to thefirst meeting that I ever held with the Serf Department? I would be the firstto know. I was not notified by anyone atthesurst department. TheDay my husband was found, who know whaors. Calld me wow en hours call me at work. My childrenare seeing it on twitter out of the news of the flyovers from channel eight they're, all seeing it on the news andI'm still sitting at work. Oh, my goodness, thats Terribleso yeahthey call. She called me and saidnow: Victorria don't be alarmed. She said, but we'all down at the lake and Iteaking f what are y? What are you doi get the lake and I'M HIS SPOUSE? Well,we don't know, but we're all down here, and I just thought you would youtonknow I said, put the serip on the phone now. So at this point you stopped keepingLinda close right. Oh Yeah Soayeah, so you started off doing that. Then yourealize this. Isn't right! She's got her hands intoo much stuff. She couldeven be a part of why your husband's missing correct and why would she makereference to the Guy Whowas? First of all, she's Gonta. Keep it secret likeshe's doing me a favor she's, going to keep it secret to do the dog search andthen, when I find out from the dog search guy that everything Linda was at pan to it.Everything went through her. Well, my red flats go OUP. PLIKE whoe,wait a minute. You're telling me you don't want thesherest department, you know, but then you're not keeping me a prize. It'sonly what you want to know. So it's only benefiting you anthen somethingcomes oun it it and they find something that windows going to look like thehero, because he he had the dog search guy, so did d. Weknow, like any kind of reason why she would want like sent of your husband'sclothes o then for using dogs to find them yeah. No, I mean that's what they that's justwhat he told me that I needed to bring and then, when I went to pick them off, she has two dogs. She had a mut dog andshe like a little mut and then she had like, like a mix, brig kind of like not aColli but like maybe like a lab colli mix, somethinglike that, a big dog and it was an older dog. I went to kick up my husband's clothes.They were in her living room open face with the dog all over them. Theyweren't even sealed up in the bad how I gave them se Weer your dog like lick onand like Snowam and thinking. Where is the respect here? Respect for also you know, someone elsewas to do a dog search. You know your best clothes with his sent on it. We'recompromised right. Yes, Yei still have those preserves to ust. I could I tookthem out of the bridge bag when I came home and put them back and zip Obaggies and they're sitting here, but still she she comgromised. All of that and it's just not even commer. It waslike te respect it absolutely very disrespectful, very disrespectful. You want to talkabout what what she told you when, on the scene or at the day, that the sceneshe was looking for a secret, go a that crap, oh yeah. She said she was looking for asecret note in the office Owell, they told me. I need to come upthere. I was looking, maybe like for a secret note or something it told her to come up there. Wert- andthis is only this- is only som cn by her telling you right. No one else isthatd yeah we told her to come here. Yeah sounds very fishy. Doesn't it it almostsounds like she kind of planted that whole idea that he went to California?Doesn't it were not all right and try to make it look like? It was somethingfor work almost like a mislead in a way everybody SAI, this leek everybody inthis thing, fies one way or another...

Tarlin yeah. That's why I red flax. Youknow when you're you Wul see whe, you be workingtogether it just I an was you would want to work together. TheyShald be using me as a resource to say, hey what was Brian wearing what'sBrian's height. What's bring this wait, I had briliants, wait, don't forget ifthey had the he had three wets witin down, because e were doing a waybasschallenge, hetokm skil up to the town, Sapa touse, so I had it the way, the exact way itit is his coset yeah, ocalls metheday. She calls me, what areyou who are you, you you' Hav, anything to do with theters Enyor Wy? Are YouCollin Who's? This is calling you NDDO. You want me to have them, send a car toput the Shar on the SOG right now he its on the phone and he says notsertainer. It was dailer which he has ben a part of this. Thewhole time I an he was like behind costers. I don't know where hewas yeah. Yes, yes, so Miller gets on thephone he's like yes or don at Tipa. Do you want me to send a car? I souid geta car here and now so I waited and I waited, and I was inthe callway of the courthouse and I waited- and I said you know what screwthis I am not waiting. I have waited so long for these idiots. I said I'm doingthis myself. I went of I got in my car. I turn my flashers on and I flashed mydrakes all the way to chip Awhile Lake. I mean people knew like something wasan emergency. They were moving over for me yeah and I drove like a bad out ofhell to kipl Al Wake. I get down there. I drive up on someone's long becausethire was like nowhere to park. I just drive up. I sot my car. I didn't eventurn the car off. I an out of the car, greeted Captain Sentner thinking. Okay,does he have something for me to me. Tell me something and I go up to himand he walks me back to the par wow, but thotwars could be aaxsy awayfrom tha scene, but everybody else is there every truse, all the surfeddeputies, presidents erl standing around. I wasn't allowed my home froze. I was getting so manycalls. My fhoult would not work oseup. I was in the back of the carwith one of Bryant's friends. Our kids went to school togetherbecause he saw me down there and he was comforting me in the back ofmy car because that's where said to what he's like you know, you don't needto be here and I'm like we to be here. What are you talking about? Theytheylike kept me in the back of the car Yo unbelievable ierthis day have seen my husband or identified myhusband wow. So who identified him? I don'tknow, probably onef them. Bowers Omy, worda yeah, to this day wow and I talked to t e, the funeral home,and he said you know honey. I don't think you'd want to see him. I said Imnot saying I had to physically see him look at him, but I was going to use mybrother in law to walk in with me and even if I could just put my hand on him and not look at him. Yeah O no Wan gave me the opportunity. I'm so sorry he actually go it. My card at Te, sheeT EO as Briat. Do you need to know this and you need to hear it fror me it'sBrian. I tol me I oher house Withi on'.KNOWHATISHULD DO I need ethe for my kids, Housen Er Perki, O Yor House, maybe sitthere in the back o o Hait back to my car and...

...his trat sat with me had colhorted meen she says: Well, you could stay here,tecorters Gong to come, talk to you and he I didn't. I never met her beforeand Oh my God alful awful. He came around the corner and had her fingerstraight out pointing it in my face going you you arm Goingto, tell youright now you ee to be strong. You need to be strong and able to Rian. Youdon't know you don't know how strong I can eat. I said I will find out E. I this iwillfind out at by a corner an mainacouch an this iscrazy. This is Lisa dernick right, the Oh yeah hen, I iwaited at least andthen, when the bowers husdand goes up and grabs micdonalds an here eat something you need to eatwhat eat you think I want to eat McDonalds. Are you disgusting? This islike this is like yeah he's trying to give you reMcDonald's and then finally, it must have been. Iat least forty five minutes, Orene TAT, my friend's husband and I weweresitting in the Bok Sea and Fiallyce Seitl e sers on his way and ERF comes and he looks around theCorne goes hello, it's Brian and he leaves Ho dn offerany words of comfort or anything. No, you know no whatsoever. You just gaveyou this most devastating news, so you could give you he barely looked at me kind of bed downin the back of the car. He goes it's Briavy wow, and this isn't. This is that Lindabowers house in her driveon, her driveway, yes, and when I pulled in thecorner, was there the WL? I don't know if the corner wasthere because I didn't know her. I knew the prosecutor. She was there, he was standing there, which just coube cooler. Linda, bowers home is on Ryan, road, right, Ryan and Wedgwoodroad. He owns the farm Yeahi kid used to work at the farm, my daughters, pedher fence, but there's no reason that this shouldbe happening at her house, but, oh weird, so so that happens now. Did I J an I ak? Qestion here witthat trick in the backseat o the car with you yeah my husband's friend from ourchildren ore friends. He has a son and I have a daughter and then wo friendsin high school and then Brian Coached Feias just trying to place the peopleat something yeah. So then you know so this is February.Twenty first of seventeen of I sepven the march eighth. Was the funeral rightcorrect. So what happened in between that time to any contact with thetrustees? The sheriff andhe called me that night te Seris the prosecutor, the sheriff suppressecutor and thecorner. Calld me that night and she said I can', give you a lot ofinformation, but there were stabboys. She said it and the prosecutor said to me I'm going to give you a victom'sadvocate. I'm GOINGTO get Tou a victim t e advocate through Madina County, andI said okay, he said well be in touchy and I'll give you dath. He never got me that so yo never gotenthe victim's advocate yeah Yo. So I had someone one of the guys that workd at the newstation with friends with someone Bryan sojewelry to and I he called- and he said you know I really heard about what agreat guy your husband was. He said it really hit home because I know don onher husband and Brian Sol jewelry to them, and they said you know what agreat standup guy like what a good family like he just have so many nicethings to say, and he said you know,...

...were you ever any mantond. It wereyoave given a victims advocate he goes. You know, I've heard a lot about Madina,county and stuff. Did you get one? And I said well funny you say that I saidI'm not going through Madina County. I don't want to go through and he goes.You know I have someone that works insument. If you would like, I could call SomacCounty and see at least it's someone that you could talk to, and you know-and I said yeah absolutely so I did. I met them and I went to Akran. They were. They met me at the Akron like a couple floors, ofbone a policestation, and I went down there a few times and talked to her so yeah. He never came throughon any ofit. They wouldn't really see autop cm channel three types suing them for it.I went to the hearing for that through Palier Watin, to Wy. Why wouldn't theygive you the Autoxy Wy? Why are they covering that relaing? The preliminaryatopsy there's a long delay there yeah. It was a very long, tolatechannel three new carnol trees like this is not they do the law. They saidand I had I had a statement from one of thecounty commissioners. That said, they knew that if the Gotte he said, Fos Omsi be autopy even a pinary autopsy in andthan I had to release it to the public. So he I'm guessing was kept. Saying, no,don't release it to me. He didn't need it because he didn't want it to bereleased to the public and they comei went to the courthearing between Calier and the channel three. When I came to court andI sad in the back of the room, it was someone sort of the Post newspaper,someone from the Cazette and myself and cawyor came out from behind Cambers andhe said he will tri that me. He Os on sorry who are you and pointed to meacross the Port Rom I stood up. I said I'm Victoria Makron Hesaoh, Oh okay. I just wanted to makesure you wan to get on a court wil, because you know there's a lot ofhearings that go on in here and sometimes people get confused wherethey need to go. I said I'M NOT COU Hese. where I need to go. I know I needto be here and you also work in the courtouser andI work there and he said: Oh Yeah Yeah, no problem. Okay, have you med him s if you mo Jos caler S and thenisure? He sees me around here.I don't know, but the so then, as the port comes out, theyintroduce each part. You know he stays to in the courtrom. For the record and all of a sudden he's like we need to go behind closed doors. Weneed to go into chambers her a little bit and I saw h Waki a minute. This is apublic harring re they going behind chambers. For so Isaw the girl kick up her machine. You know for the SEF, so I saw her pick up the machineand she goes in the backside, O okay, Al Right, like they're Goinna, you knowrecord all this or pype it up. So all of a sudden I stood up, and Ithought you know what this is bullshit. I said this is a public haring. I gotup. I started walking across the courtroom almost up to the judges, deat Berro whatever, and I said Ilooked at the deputy- jumped up because Vitoria. Where are you going? You can'tgo back there. I said this is a public hearing either I knock on the door andI go back there or I knockd on the door and they come out for you and he said hol well I'll go tell themI'll, go, tell them to Gil Le to come out. I said Yeah. They need to come outso few Mintes One di he the judge was screaming and the girl even looked at me. It was something to the effect of howcan you say that it's something about the report not being released? How canyou not release it? Its public information is what we heard them Scrang. Iremember the girl sitting next to me. Look at me. She was oho boy. He is nothappy. She goes. I never heard him...

Striang like that before so shortly after that, then they did comeout and the judge came up to me after and hesaid. Oh, I just want to offer my condolences. I'm very sorry. I said Iam too, and I said, and you know what I said, I have a very good atjourneyand I have an even better investigator and he goes Thereis, no doubt that youdoitll interesting those ere, the last wordsyeah interesting and they kind of Anwen enwhen I went to get the transcrits Golis sees that that's tenographer'sback thereand, she's she's. You know taking note of everythingthat's going on when there's an insfruction in someone's voice orsomething or to show anger. You put that you know you. You show that inthere, so you can get the feel of how this is going. Do you think that was inthere? No, NO HE'S TOO SMART! For that you know shedoesn't want to like Wayo, real sure and he's probably in calling his backpocket Huh right at end. Do you think that they would release when theyrelease the eliminary autopsy when they said they were going to release it? Thenext day of like ninety, they could come in Anview from like not a they can't take his, but they can goout of the room. Take notes. Come back into the room. Go back out, take morenup, you can't just have like a no pad or your phone take notes as you're inthe viewing do you think that they would have asked me you we're going to release this, butwould you like to view it first before we release it? You know that's what I keep wondering like whowere they trying to protect so initially not releasing the autopsthetime, maybe they're, trying to protect you for your family, but itdoesn't sound like that and seems like you'. The last person tha actually everhave considered far as sensitivity or anything ptect it it can't get any worse than it alreadywas like through anything. Like, I said,that's the path I started to ble was okay. He ran away because if he ranaway I know I could see him again. So it's like they wanted me to believethis. It Cok me down this tro because Ididn't want the other past dowre at the other path and it can't get any worse right. So they're still not telling methere still. Why are you trying to hide a pupilar Bepsi, it's going to come out. Why are you delaying is right and they kind of painted it fromthe media standpoint about the inphetomens right that they didn'tknow if it was he had 'tenemies in in, for if it was part of like the DecoPosotion, you know what ohecorrected herself after we do't leavit wit theattorney, and she said Oh yeah, she I don't honestly, I don't eventhink she knew how to read an autopsy report. He was going to flip fopping onso an seat actually kaps. My aftorees tout of the Oroer out of the Er e, when we were at that when they were readingit and she says- Oh you know I just want to correct something. She says Ijust want to. Let you know you know he didn't have an fetamines in his body.She said that is because of the ICOMPOSITION that causes that, and I even asked herI said. Well, you said that there was. You said there was alcohol in is system.I said how much was there because I know Bryan was not one, he ever Likdrink and drive. He had a best friend killed in a Carsin High Schol, and thatwas one of his biggest things. Even with our children told them. Don't youever ever get in the car if you've been during ae so dimay have had a drink over a courseof a few hours out there. So for them to say Oh yeah, he had alcod when Iasked them they aout for the content. They didn't Anan, tell me so probablydidn't even register as a oo safe, O yeah. He was drunk yesrightmore than no, she din' even know.

Howto read, tkowthere was no percentage, and what else is I going to tell you aboutthat? Yeah? She said it was part of thedecomposition, the the alcohol, the body break yeah, and so they couldn't rule. Theydidn't like say that this was a homicide right after looking at heoltop siits just listed as undetermined, which your husband, I think he kind oftalked about it earlier, but he was in the marins correct special prenses, soI mean he doesn't get any tougher than that and it's somebody that knows howto use weapons iwoned a gun, it seems so out of character for him for suicide.First of all, the. Secondly, usually people that own firearms. If they'regoing to commit sucide, use a firearm and don't to use a knife and leave inthankful live, I mean it just doesn't add up it all. Doesn'ted up. It doesn't not add up well beyond that. Just go it! The sat when the body wasrecovered. He had no water or foreign debrat in the air lawer in the laws,which means that he was descease pwenty wind in the water, which is kind of impossible to do it toyourself. If you're ot breathin, are you Gonto Akeything into your Lu? Youknow why and if you stabbed yourself you're going to have a trail to itright righ, so you kiny want to find that as well right whal. He is there any kind of game thathe would have had to stage his own murder to your knowledge, major life insurance, stuff, no oo. No,nothing like that. Right now, T likethat yeah. We agree with you justcovering it for the listener see they wouldn't even really like. I couldn'tget a police report. I couldn't get anything so one time there was a sole policythrough the township because he was a state employee and heyou know you have life insurance like any job whatever, and I thought youknow if I can't get a copy of the police retort through them, I'm goingto try to go through the insurance company, but I was trying to do a backdoor on everything and I call the insurance company. Thiswas through the township insurance whatever, and I said you know Ham, Iable to get a police reuport and she says you know she does. Let me tell you something:she says I have done pice. I seen police reports of everything she goes. I have neverseen a police report so heavily redacted that I can't even read it ruly yeah. She said you know iould see likeyou know, to protect someone and protect a name. You see it protected.Like you see the name cost out. She goes. This one is so heavily redaptedthat I can't even read it wow, so he was red flak to inpartial person,probably miles anway Thas. Never even really call e on'tven know where hefooter. Thank you guys so much for joining us.That's going to do it! For this episode, I'm going to be assembling theinvisible ships team tonight and we're going to be working on our reaction tothe Forest Thompson press conference ind what implications that means forthe case being closed, you don't want to miss it. I'm going to hopefully havethat out for you, probably tomorrow or Sunday, at the latest, so'll be lookingout for that. In the meantime, reach out you can contact us on our facebook.We are on twitter. We are on Instagram, we have our own webpage, wwd, invisibleships, podcastcom, don't forget to like and subscribe. Thank you guys. So muchwe'll see! Y. U later, the invisible ships podcast is producedby invisible ships, production, LLC, Al Rights, reserve for more information, go towwwvisibuship podcast dcom.

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