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Episode 10 · 1 year ago

Murder Lake 5

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We interview an eyewitness who saw something very strange going on down at Chippewa Lake the morning Bryon Macron disappeared. We also hear a lot more from Paul and Victoria. Plus who said anything about missing funds? Find out!   

Time for the invisible ship's podcast,where we talk about everything from true crime to be truly weird, we'regoing to jump right back into the Victoria Maccrin and Paul Hartmaninterview here we got a whole lot more coming from both of them. Plus we havean interview from a potential. I witness down a Chipoa Lake today thatBrian Web missing nd we're al going to cover some more about the nexts playwine in some possible motives for the murder to sit down and et COMFORTA ble,and listen to this new episode of invisible, shits, invisible ispotmost that was just whereto men. We at I didn't think nothing of it in the Om, but now te alwasis bing circulated aslikewell. Maybe that could have been something it was orsomise easi hearanything about a hag or sea oranything Buti eard that specifically Como therRonwe are building a record on this, show everything that we know about theBriam acacist and bringing you everything that we have learned. Wewant this to be kind of like a searchable data base for anyone that isinterested in solving the Brian Macrin case, because the truth is undeniablethat a man from our community has died under very, very suspiciouscircumstances, and things are being held back from us. A woman is withouther husband. These girls don't have I dead, and everyone knows that there arethings about this case that needs to be brought forward, that hard truths needto be looked at, examined and revealed. So we are telling you what we know fromthe facts to the theories and getting as many interviews from the peopleinvolved as we can. Our aim is to be fair period. We are willing to talk toanybody that has anything to do with this case and let them tell you whatthey know in their own words what they saw with their own eyes. Unfortunately,a lot of the individuals that we hear mentioned in this program are eitherunable or unwilling to come on the pogcast in Talktuus. Now we would loveto have some of the LAFYATE township trustees on like Linda bowers andMicostello. We really want to talk to the maintenance man who discovered thatgrizzly crime scene in the office- and I personally would love to have forestThomson and David Setner come on the show and talk to you. You know one ofthe things that has been very exciting and very encouraging about doing thisshow is that together we are making things happen. You know together, wehave a very loud voice because of all of our amazing listeners who have beensharing. This show talking about us on facebook raiding us on etunes. We havehad over twenty thousand downloads in the last thirty days guys these are thekind of numbers that are going to make the politicians take notice. I don'tthink it's just the coincidence that the Modina County prosecutor, forsThompson's, announced that he's going to be creating a cold case unit. Do youI mean I'm also hearing about movement in this case at the state level andwe're not taking credit for all of this, or even most of it, that credit belongsmore rightly to Paul Hartman, the Web looce people like Coen and, of course,Victoria Makron for never giving up. It's been almost four years since BrianMakrin has disappeared. Victoria mackaron has lived through thisnightmare every day, but she's not giving up, and she is keeps pushing foranswers, and I think that every day we're getting closer and closer tofinding out the real reason or reasons behind what happened to Brian MackronBot Gor was rid macron timeline. Everything that you're going to hear isactually on our web page at Avisible, ship's podcast DOTCOM, with even moredetail on links. Let's start with the last normal day of Rian Markron's lifethat would have been Thursday December. The Fifteenth of two thousand andSixteen ightthat was the night of the township officials party sort of aChristmas party at the winking Lizard Tavern in bredsly after the party weknow that brine mackrin, along with fellow trustee Micostello, went to themovies together they were seeing Roge one, the new starrs movie at the timeright, and so we learned from talking with Victoria that Brian's phone haddied. So she got a message from lecostell on Facebook, pessenger thatshe didn't realize she got until the next day, Friday December, sixteenth,two thousand and Sixteen Brian is home. He and his wife go to bed. Bictoriaremembers it being somewhere around one in the morning right and then atapproximately two. Oh eight am. She remembers, Waking Up to Brian, gettingthe message on his phone that caused him to leave and never return hom. Itwas supposedly a facebook messenger, p notification again and we still do notknow who that's from, and that is...

...probably one of the most importantclues in this case that if and when it's revealed migh might solve thisabsolutely. They should know that there is some controversy at this point inthe time like because, according to him, Adini County Sheriff's department,Captain David Setner, he as stated in a press conference that he pulledsecurity, camera footage from area businesses and presidents that showBrian mackron arriing at the Laitt Township Hall. It approximately onefifty in the morning then leave it at six. Twenty four one thing, Dany thatpeople should note is that we never know if, if they identify brine as adriver or if they identified it by the licen plate, because we know that he'snot the only person with the Shevy iquadox right, I was going to say:There's another township trust with the same exact car in migh. Cost L IL. Soeven if it's a completely innocent reason, there's no guarantee thatthat's him. So at seven. Thirty that same morning, a township maintenanceworker comes into the office, finds the doors unlocked in the lights on veryquickly. He discovers that something terrible ha happened there. He findsblood on the floor, the whole office is trashed and he finds Brim acronscellphone. So we know that his first phone call wasn't to nine one one whenhe discovered the signs of struggle and blood in the township office. Right andlisteners should know that this part is disputed as well. We don't know forsure who he called. We think what happened was being fronds with some ofthe deputies. He had a jeopadese phone number in his cellphone, possibly JimSanford, and he reached out to him. Here's why this is important not onone's a recorded line. Calls to individual cellphones are not recorded,so we don't have that. We can't hear what he was seeing, whathe was feeling. I know- and I think you say this in the intervew that we'regoing to be playing here a little bit, but it's a shame that we don't have thenine one one call 'cause. We think that would probably reveal a lot about thestate of mind at the time we have had some info that Um. It may not have beentotally unreasonable to not really be sure what happened in that room, butapratly eight forty one, a m that same morning authorities uses the vehicleson star and they located parks, roughly three miles from the office on beatsideboulevard right in front chipwill lake. After they search the Buhicle they findblood inside the vehicle and any other searches that they claim they have done,and the nearby area don't turn up any additional clues. Yeah so channelNineteen News and Cleveland asked Sheriff Tom Miller why there wasn't amore extensive search done of the area in the lake. He's quoted as saying that,I think if we thought it was appropriate at the time. If we foundsomething that indicated, we thought he was in there. That would have been done.So basically, they didn't think there was any reason to look in the lake, andthat brings us up to the drones, because, while doing our research, wehave uncovered that Brian Mackron was actually the national salesrepresentative for Vista Unmanned Aerial Systems, operatin o Seville,Ohio, and they were the ones that donated the two drones that Mydinigcountyr sheriff's department ended up with, which is so strange. T at is sostrange. It's so strange that this never came up in any of the researchthat we've looked at before, and it's just a kind of a dark twist of Liony orfate here and who knows, it probably doesn't actually mean anything as faras this. The mystery of s is disappearance and Su murder, but it'sso weird, though it's so weirand just creepy. You should know that the dronesthat Vista donated to the sheriff's apartment had thermal imaging cameras.They could have been used to locate a body that was in the water and in oneof the greatest heights of irony. I think the last the last quote in thatarticle, which is on our website in our timeline, is from Brian Makrin ND. Hesays that visadozel drones, larger than the ones given to Modona County andthat these drones can carry a small paload such as a life preserver it justthatis, strange n, especially knowing how Prim Makan met his end, that he wasin thatlike. So on the subject of Jones, on our lastepisode, we talked about weather conditions and how that might have comeinto effect with the decision on whether or not to deploy drones by theSheriff's Department yeah and there came from listener. She was kind ofhypothesizing with US reasons why maybe the CHERIFFS apartbment didn't send outa dome that day, and one of the questions that you raised was thepossibility that the weather conditions were permitting derones being able tofly igtand. So you did what you do and what we all do is we researched. Wewent online. We tried to find out what the weather was like at the time, whichwas a lot more difficult than we thought it would be. So we did what wealways do when we hit a brick wall and we turnd to our audience- and you guysare the best Vince is a meteorologist in Indiana. Thank you ves. Yes, thankyou so much she reached out, and this is what he e showed us. So he saidlooking at the morning of December, sixteenth, wo, tosand and sixteen fromeght am to twelve PM. The Max wingust was four point: nine miles per hour.Temperatures di not reach abovt, fifteen degrees Farenheit at thatlocation, anytime before noon. Right and you know what I was doing- digitalresearch trying to catch up with Vince and I found out that the average windgust or windspeed in Madina County Ohio...

...is ten miles per hour. So that was abelow ieverday a beleverage day, and you know it's just hard to imagine thata light breeze of four and a half miles per hour, woill prevent a drone fromflying that morning and if you want to hear the drone conversation again, itwas on episode four of the Murder Lakes, but so we're still having a hard timefiguring out why the SHARRIFF's dapartment didn't use the drones tat.Brian mackri gave them to find Bri the mackron. Let's move on now to MondayDecember nineteent, two thousand and Sixteen Lafia Township decides to doeight thousand dollars worth of redecorating and they bring in thepainter named Brian Popavitch, and I think it's important to kind of remindourselves how soon this is after the mmissing report and the office found indisarray. That is a really quick turn around on a basically a crime caneright I mean the blood is basically not even dried yet, but we do have aninterview with Brian Popovitch in it's episode. Three there's links again onthe timeline here that you can go and listens to that interview, but what hesays is troubling. So they pressed him hard to come in and by the time thatBrian Popich came in serf pro had already been there. They'd alrdtoremove the carpets in the furniture yeah and just to kind of the highlight,take aways from this, as he finds blood underneath the sink, and he found aboot print that maybe had gote unnoticed by the the earlier cleanersbehind H. Fire Extinguisher yes and we're going to be talking more withPrime Poplamich in this episode, because there is something that wassaid by the investigator we'll gite into that a little bit sat. He wants tocorruct so stat ton December twenty second, two thousand and sixteen theFBI gets involved after Victoria Makron calls them. And then, following that onDecember, thirty, first of two thousand and Sixteen Sergeant Jim Sanford BriaMakron's friend and the guy that they trained to fly the druns retires. Heput it in his to Wi notice. The day Brian goes missing in pornt to remember,and then we move onto January fifth of two thousand and seventeen were thetrust he's put out a strange letter and they're kind of preemptively shootingdown possible motives. In fact, in the letter again, is on our webpageyeah. I think they would probably probably describe it as settingexpectations and maybe trying o tamp down gossip it, but they do say- andthis sticks out with everyone has read the letter th, the rumor that townshipfunds are missing is falls similar. There is no evidence to support therumor that the nexest project is anyway connected to Brian's disappearance,strange that they preemptively put that out thereFebruary twenty first, two thousand and seventeen Brian's body is found inChipwa Lake by a Kayaker. The body was when identified, was Brinan Marcriuntil the Foll Oin Day February, twenty second of two thousand and seventeen,and then things kind of go quiet until the preliminary report in April six Otwend and seventeen of macrin's autopsy. That shows he was stamped and that'swhere we get the Sixtyab ones from. I just don't have a cause of death, butwe know that it wasn't drowning right and I think it was at this preliminaryreport where they say all the stabons were kind ofsuperficial. There was one that maybe could have been serious but would havestopped loving, with pressure replied, which kind of always sticks out to me:'cause, it's assuming he's in a position of playof pressure and thenjust kind of finishing up. The things that I found interesting were onOctober, seventh of two thousand and seventeen, the county grants at Easmanfor the nextest pipeline. Yes and you're, going to be hearing on thissection of interview that we're going to pain. Today's episode you're goingto be hearing a lot about the nexs pipeline even more to put into morecontext and see why this really could be one of the motives Mrua just leaveit there. I mean there's a whole lot more to the timeline and again courageyou to go to invisible ships, POGCAST DOT COM, to look at it and we'll befilling intoo, because we're learning new things about this case every dayand that's why we're touching baselike this we're going to keep doing that nowbefore we get into interview. Listen to this proma from one of our friends hi. This is molly an cody, the host ofover the fence. True crime podcasts. Please join us. If we talk about truecrime in the most normal place in the world, older, the fence, to be specificover our backyard fence, we're both MOMS of humans and of dogs. We livedirectly next door to each other and share many conversations about life andfamily, but mostly true crime over our backyard fence, and we invite you tocome, learn more about true crime and well us. We give a lot of attention toCalifornia, true crime, but I've ventured throughout the: U S, and evenacross the pond and Plann to continue our world domination and the nearfuture. Listen to US wherever you listen to your podcast or give us afollow one instogram at over the fence under score. PODCAST, so grab a drinkand talk with us over the fence: Hey Brian, it's rick, I'm calling Brian Popa vitch thepainter, because we need to discuss the knive some more his version of how thenives were discovered, doesn't Mesh up...

...with Paul Hartman. The investigatorsversion, Paul Hartman describes the knife as being retrieved from adumpster. However, Brian Popavitch was actually in the office when the kniveswere discovered, and I meod. Let him tell you what he saw tt'SSee. I wasthere a through the day, somebody s a younger guy. U Othis, Ron to West the office e Sa within an hours later, a CP camein took stuff out of that room, a ovheard them talking San as consoniseAnsm Lovsian, everything about a rag ork ceatorthiirthat specifically comefrom that room, so t et came from you heard them talking about it from theirroom. Where you, where the items came from that room, okay and then the young guy was he doyou think he was a onforcement or no? No, I think he was like a firefighteror something like that or somebody that was in ther Ocaa, O now, souns always lot. We worout in there Blah Blah Blah speer brin is describing a small maintenancecloset that probably contained a slopsink, his being the room where theknives ere, retrieves and Brian was adimant that he was not allowed at anypoint to go in this room or see what was actually inther. They told you thatyou weren't aloud in there I mean. Did you think that was because I was partof the crime scene or just I just K at usually Haveromi Wan or anythinglike that? I definitely do O and it wasn't like taked off with crime,scene tape or anything CRAE cavete entire poisthat, one like I said, reporters of the property we weren'tallowed to have wd to talk toerporters and we were notallowed to talk ladbody Anas to be talked at all times. I remember you saying that you weren'tsupposed to Liin went in, but so he actually instrictd the door o be lockedat all the times locked. It's one of those doors that you have to. There was a wole thing on it: Blackanit's like a Kok or something like that. It was Aly Lok. If you shut it O WalkByokay. That makes sense. So what do you thinkOu wha, Paul Harmon was saying L Ke. Do you think that there could have beenstuff coming out of the dumpster and in that room? Or do you think what heheard about coster, remember: Duste, Bing, close bys Al onthe other side of the pall, I can call the park joand you go past Laf o go Allawa, you go to the pastthat's work, a that's where I by paned nony oter that I remember was on therayinside. I was Lik towards Stran and one of the things we wanted to getclarification is. He said it was knives right, not like PLO, not a single knife.I was nice CAS. He a son asked, or I econoto a ACR Sixo so where they comeback, Othi Ans crssings to be overdone with Sorogste O ore. Almost the war TeOnginuin going Toba Hei on becal surprise, back Thersoi was just play off o I they just mo sdown there, so they were justma come out, but Afryou find out the Carsta there anything else that we missed orthey you wanted to clarify. No that's Abou. It's just! I NOT TAT was likeHarry, like they're folloing, because there's a big teald when at happened. I think I had to stop workingothat'stht. I rembr. So I appreciate e brain. If you go anything else, you know howto get a hold of me and Um. I got an more questions, I'll, let you know, butthank you very much. So you now have your listening toEpisod Wor, you N, W. I think, there's deciitely some things e Gott latch onhere. You right now would be a real good time to spend a few minutes kindof unpacking. Some of the things that we learn in the last episode and dolike a round table between myself, Danni and Darron Oneyou, Know Thi bsoething thathadpozzled me from anyone. When I heard...

...it, you know why not use the driver'slicense. I nweigt the Walds in the office. It's where you found in wherewhereis two forty nine and tune. Ninety wor, where is t e discrepancy an that?Here's something that keeps striking me when I listen and re listen. What washis height? No one ever says. No, we don't know e know it's last thansix ine, but we didn't get that from Victoria, sojust kind of an average guy, probably a little heavy, but you never. You neveraskd the Wi you're there, like you, never ask the way you put the AlTogether, you know and you have a drivers lice in Youan wife. Those areboth, I think, two reasonable sources or Funni O ea. You gotta figure likeyou're, putting ont a missing person. You know like it's foring to have inWeigt. To me. It almost makes me think that they're trying to make him biggern. Why would they want to make hem bigger? I mean you know, ell, let the listenersput tat together, but I talk about like a a larger bootfriend, an Ow, a largerperson. There reason for that. Is that acorrelation, or is that just Apid ananjust an a so whes talking about thepobabits interview that we play where he describes seeing these largebootprintsyeahand? He said he wears a size like eleven and it wasconsiderably larger than his sheprint yeah, and I guess just to wildlyspeculate here. Maybe that larger persons knew they're caught on cameraand needed to have the bigtum be larger than he is. Iswhat you're ind trying to say? I mean T, that's where my mind goes, and you knowthe other thing that, like I, don't want to give it away, but there's alsoanother part of this interview. That's going to come up later, where it'sGoingto talk about, you know like boot and at Brian was wearing and once inthe evidence, kind of a little sink pink. You Know Su seems like theyrethere there 's some evidence that you know or the destription of the personyou know they'll fry in and di Um. You know it just seems like everythingKinda got larger, I mean Yeah An. I don't know how much more tosay than I give it away, but they do also seem to know more about the the foot were andeverything than they should for someone whose body they haven't recovered. Yetat that time, right right, which on't wo got to youin a later episode of more recaptise but an I thought that was very interesting,but I think we ought to go to the nine right onwith these niyes. We have two different set oftimes thatwe're kdeeling with or just the same knife that Aul is destriving and alsotha fiins, describing from the paint that bi the painter, and I mean when wedid that first interview I mean you know I was so galne away by the theSene and then I'm sitting back there listeningto it again and it's like wont,wait a minute home d miss the knives. So I'm glad you got bried back on, youknow it's just. It really makes you question that I mean you know it wasthat a murder weapon I mean either way you got a flood. Yougot a sharp object, you don't you don't get rid of it. What onter we have about the search war?It's like you know it doesn't seem like they really want to provide searchwarrants or what they've done when Bryant you know when they were tryingto look at his phone and go through his car. You know what what concerns wehave with this. I mean it almost sounds like to me with this interview like.Are we just even if we get the guy you gon Ta, walk because there's no searchwarwor. We have with that. This is a place where I wish that they had gottenback to you after you reached out to them, because there's a couple f timeslike, even in the previous episode, where she's talking about Um, doing with Shereff Sandford aboutthe cellphone and how he wants. Another paper like she was very confused bythat, but I wouldn't know if that's a standard procedure or not for them toask you to fell aut, a different form or two forms. You know what I mean: EAN A O parisher office, something theydo every day. So what Av had a wrong form? I mean that's another issue, anejob they're like Oh, take this one and get that one from her too. It doesraise some questions about a lot of stuff, that's going on in there andhere's something I want to float and kind. o know what you guys think theVictoria mentions. I think, in the previous interview an definitely inthis interview that we're going to play today that at first they were kind ofreally nice with her and then like the next day. They started acting weird anddoing all this stuff and that's when she got suspicious and called the FBI.But if you Cinda tryg to imagine where the sheriff'Department might be,...

...did they start to suspect her or at least wonder imen you have to e people out. You knowI mean that o you gotta you gotta Tink, to people there closest to 'em and andreally not trust. Anyone right right and thats I mean even theinnocent people should want it to be that way too, but maybe that she justkindof got a little noticed the change because they started to examine her andobviously it's four years later, I think they've cleared her by now. I'msure they have, but that just might explain some of the weirdness. I don't know I'Ma just trying to rap mymind around some of the you know when Youe hearing one side of a story andtrying to figure out the whole story, Iwe're hearing, you know on one side ofthe story which we really appreciate, but you know we're also hearing once utof a story in the moment of one of the most tragic points of herwife. You know so Um. You know when you put yourself in a situation like that,you think about what you're ing and how you're doing your emotions aret reallyin check. You know s not human nature. L! Be that way. Right! Good Point! GoodPoint Youknow, so perceptionawize I'm impressed really how much she toprocess through and handle, but we don't know you know you're only givingone droling Ein one side Um. You know. I really hope that Marc Stanford wassinceren to Emo back that you was soon as it thrapped up that that you wantedto have o sit down and go over his perspective. COI mean out of my youknow. You know looking at this, I thonh wil ask you know, and it you know onyour O, you in the interview like Rain Taa, you know ia o tat a wouldinterview. I meanmag amper would be one of my three. You know a D so Um. Youknow. I hope that then we can make that happen when that gets wrapped up. otheother question about the sheriff opic an what about Ow, the the Um prosecutor,forest comsent, wanting to send evidence to somewhere else because ofone person working from the sheriff's Office that now works up at the RichoVCI office, a concerns Imean to me, atthe rewen. Iheard that that that Lak, really you knowoh that to me. That's the opposer,a red flag he's trying to avoid even the appearance of like self dealing or whatever they wouldcall it like he's trying to get it out. So there's no conflict of interest, butthat 's actually Bot the point tetani is ellyes agree with anny, except for etwas done at twenty eighteen. You know Ol harm her. How you haven't collectedevidence since really fanuary twenty first o seventeen. It wasn'ttransferred until Apil of twenty eighteen, twen tet thirteen months atdit' that for this and then you know conslict to happen yeah, but it's notnecessarily CSI in Miami that we're doing with either like I don't know if that's slow or fasthonestly and when you know some troubling things about the collectionof evidence right when they went and decided to get the DNA swabs of the firdepartment, the the deputy that was doing the swap and never changehisgloves so contaminated all the evidence. You know, there's also been a historywith BCI. Unfortunately, there was a case where a lot of people'sconvictions got overturned because there wer some funny business going on.I think that people have this idea from watching C SI that they're gonnaScience, the hell out of whatever evidence and find the murderer, and yourely on people o Relina, honesty, relyon on professionalism, M and Antim,you're interjecting, the human element to that you know Becko quoth the windowquickly and it's a government institution. I just think about in Ohiohistory, not that long ago, when they finally got the funding to do the rapekits like they went through like Grat kids from years and years ars and yearsago, like right things, just pile up all these cold cases. That sitting onthe shelf from seventy nine. Finally get my do ithink. It's interesting that,like the evidence, wasn't process, untionclaer Tha Victoria got back thatit was a tag. It was te like in the mittle part of January when he wasmissing an little partof the summer. Let me take this because the taging onthe sheriff's apartment make zero sense. The ability for BCI to process evidenceif it's a thirty day leg wouldn't be that suspicious, but I mean what elseis in Adini County sheriff's apartment doing besides, if they're collectingevidence, why? Wouldn't they take it within thirty days? They woeld not thatbusy. I would' You Tagit, like you know today, meen Wotin a week we I wish. Wehad someone we cotalk to yeah. For sure...

I mean we definitely could benefit Lom.You know just I mean like I said we could sit Downwi with Sanford. You know.I think that a lot of things that were suspecting thin es a whole other side to the storethat we just we just don't, have even totally like non classified or nonprivilege information stuff. Just like timelines of how police work works yeah.I think it would give us a lot of insight, possibly answer some of thequestions. No, no, I got. I got two more things I want to talk about here. One is the Iran away. You know that that ainvestigator said to Mecoria also said in a news article that he assumed a newlife in California. We ther, obviously he wasn't right ECAUSE. We found him inthe like, but h. You know this is not a graint central station, Lafian town,Sha Hav, no wallen, cellphone, there's discepancies on how much blood was inthe office, but if you've got line ant knives, you know. WHY WOULD YOU EVAN?Yes, wondering e question Ting outside the box b? This isn't just questioningit. This is almost like misleading Victoria, I'm PG I bring this up, but there wasan interesting message that I received from a listener. I don't know what to do with this govor,but since we're talking about it, the trustee that Brian American replaceddied about a day around H, one day later or a day before Ryan mackrin didhis body was quickly cremated and he weighs about as much as the exaggeratedversion of Primerican wayt. I mean that would maybe fit him with assuming a newidentity or something I don't know. I like. I said I meber bringing it up. Ot The mannew identity Rian. I wouldresume Ryan, I mean it doesn't make any logicalsense if you, if you follow the staff of what would that entail, O whoidentified Bryand's body Victori, didn't she victoria never saw NoedidN'tesum jus sothat she wouldn't want to see him who identified it his brother. We don't exactly know I mean, I think,daring, an think. I look at it B. I don't know that for Si' tryin tremember. I think I think that was brought up and I think it was during,but a d you're looking for something that points to, and I don't Lake to use the word 'cause.I don't like to make Alegations, but if you are looking for something thatwould point to some type of cover up finding a bloody office in a cellphone and a missing car didn't find theCarrad a lake and then saying we think he went to California to serve thatsounds like you're, covering something up. IDNT you run away. You know. I canthink sure that I cand picture that being a question Ivictorialy. Wouldthere be any reason thet he'd want to run away, but you and Ain ReportersGetnto. It hanilike a more noise than just one question right and it was aclean office. But they're in blood like is SOT. Is Blood you're notrunning away unless, like you, shave too fast like that, doesn't make sense.The one thing that I do wonder about, though, is- and this does not rule outhomicide to me at all, but I think if you talk to like detectives andstuff that had seen a lot of homicides, I, but some are a lot less boody thanyou might imagine they would be. Some are probably a lot more bloody, but ifit wasn't like a crazily buddy room that might explain why the maidance guydidn't call nine on one and why maybe it took 'em more, I figure out whathappened. 'CAUSE, there's just a little bit of blood. Maybe it was of his fight.You know, Dorof the killer, SOM time to clean up. I mean whatever vehicles thatwe have on surveinlance, so the Shariff's apartments Claimin the HAL onsurvellance theyarrived at one fifty and left at six, twenty four. So if youwi that's on wit, but ar that time could have been cleaning up, there was literally so much to talkabout. Then this could go on forrever and I think Thathad. The best thing todo right now would be just o rol the interview where we lived on whenVictoria Makron ininvestingoer. Let me just say something else here too,and that is it. Brilan spoke to at least two people with whomI interviewed, and each of them suggested that Brian indicated that he could get these guns hand fom the sherisavice that werebeing surplus yeah. I read about that an Yeur r in the Blod. So so, what'sgoing y yeah we're were Wer Recortin. I was in that business or thirty yearsor longer and those guns don't wear out...

...and and if an agency goes from one abrand to fire unto another. Normally that thes stanner procedure is tosimply trade them into to the newsvendor and they descriye Coetitionyeah ibdeplet, povios Caneretolgeom, that N CARSOS was offered a human deal. My guns that I assume likewe came out of the Craftbe Room Oky. Now, when, when did you get that?When did you sumble across this Oh early on early on so possibly in the Asagra? Any tell the cousin that I can get themthat if you need a gun, I can get them from the sheress. Well, I know he toldAllen, TAT yeahandiod Dareit, that okay, you gond a droger and N whowell who'sOnanand one of his friends in Chicago okay. So I mean it. This comes from toindependent sources, so it's viviable information, yeah and I I saw a nearBlod that you put in a request to the sheriffs office about this and they jkindof wrote it off like whatd Yo e Te Nurus. They don't answerthey don't. Even even if the attorney would send a letter, ask thim they've,never foundit Oky. Will I set h to the chief TEP BACK? I don't know if he'sstill there or not, but I send a Letteron te that I like to know the zero members af the guns he sold toBryant and is responsees. We don't sell guns to the general public yeah. I readthat letter fom. Thank you very much. It fi needed to know that's right. What had br W whatid tlike interviewingDaran? What h? What the darn have to say? You know about like how bran feltabout it did you feel like it was kind of like a a good spot to pick up areasonably well built gun or what wat he didn't care. He didn't have nointerest verivner, I hav an interest oky. So we got. We got these potential gunsthat are coming on the market illegally, so it would seem yes, which then e,although my recollection is- and I was not there but Victoria- The attorneysthat with Tomson on February for and I believe he assured them- that that wasan impossibility, yeah, so Thompson's, the PR secuter right, Ratchandcaus,that's impossible, there's no guns Anusia! They couldn't possibly do thatpro of the hells. He tried. O and let me tell you they're all croniestogether yeah and that's what and that's n Kindo bouncer Te Palld withthe Modina corruption, the first thing Um for the sake of the listenerspalking. You provide me with why how you're the expert in this I have well, let's see I did kind o aft thisthing for about forty five years, not mading criminal investigations Uhhuh,so I've been around the block a time or two and- and the fact is that no before Iretired I spent twenty years of my career investigating violent crimes andcony homicide. So it's tat like this is a Um Posolut Tome. He loke in there donethat an in fact, in the course of my career, I saw the number of what woillbe considered cold cases, so I know that they're solv the boat. You justhave to find the right plead. You Know Yeah Yeah. So on your blog, you talk about the Madinamob, yes o! So who? Who Do you? If you don'tmind who do you include in the Modinamob? Well, my senseit is that-and this really goes to another h case. That's been on going, but you know all these: All these guysM, home and and and a number of attorneys it would seem, were acting in e concert to h, concealsome UH improper conduct on the part of one of the judges for their personalbenefit. It would seem okay and wewere talking about judge caller Ye. If you don't mind me bringing up thenames. No, no, you know how you know an thefact of the matter is, in my opinion,...

...that I should be inprison Nin. How so well, for one thing he has a history ofproven history actually of campering with transcripts tratraskets.All of the intent of depriving individuals of fair hearing on appeal as to concealhis own misconduct to trial, he's a loose canon and he has the opporturity to preure. Thesetransgrifpts before I filed in the Corporae of the fields take stuff tat makes them look like theGoofiatis. In fact, one perswho Um Tae, O judge e capacity of pheprivate attorney andGentil this person, these perreparters, do Thi Ol Bhin toprotect the judge. Now that comes from a guy who's, Nola ot. So you tell meyoure good and actually, on one occasion I was upin the courthouse and h h. The farmer judge Kimbler walked out nd, I said Hey.Let me ask you a question judg. What can he tell me about this Guy Colyourchamfry with trescips and he kind of lookatly intact away for me?If I don't want anything to do with that, they all don. They all know yeah, sowe've got, and that would be the guy like. So if they do decide to find thekiller for Brian, this would be the guy. That would try him, Oh God, I hope not at other options. Do we have toactually get like a a fair trial. If this were to come about well, firstly,you have to know that in Madina County veries much no such thing as a fairtrial, it doesn't happen and- and the problem with that is this-I mean despite the tack, Ot People, I deprive their constitutional safecuards,but they do co such outrageous things that thei te convictions are overturnedon appeal, and in this case you do not want anybody to walk after you convictthem. I, in other words you get a condiction. You want it to stick andyou want these people to pay for what they've done to this man yeah. So I it's hard for me to predict what mayhappen locally. I I'm aware that there appear to be someviolations of ceteral law with regard to this whole thing. It is possiblethat it can be prosecuted in the Farol court. But again, that's that's up toattorney. That's not MEA would ould be T. would thomson have a say in that Ol not if redecided to take itfederally? Okay, ITIT's it's up in the air. In the fact thematter is ther prosecuting they're prosecutingattorneys at least one of 'EM WHO's. He Chief Guy. There is not an ethical person in my yield andhave a hard time sticking by the rules. You know theyare rules in court, but they just don't seem to observe a Therin iokay. So what about sentner M so center hasbeen a type of conversation on your blog multible times right, yes and here's years, a thing too I wantedin the beginning. I wanted to go to Amedia and I wanted to talk MHMnumerous times and I was told by Setno. No don't talk now you can come to thesherifs te carpet, wel Ho'lp, you write something and we can release it an I remember this was Onatuesday. Italked to him or no ie talked him on a Friday and they found Brown on aTuesday and they said on Friday he told me you could come to the sheriff's office and he said you can come in and wellhelp. You write something and then we can release it to the media and thenthey found him or it might have been on a Tuesday and they found him on Friday. Ember the Dagi have it written down,but yeah he told me you can come to the. If we don't know more by that's what itwas. If we don't know more by FIDAY 'cause, that was always your sane. Iwould call my brother in law and it got...

...to the point where every day I call himand I'd say well, they told me they should know more by Friday. So I'm likee holeful thinking, while they might meybe they're able to tell me somethingmore. My brothers law started laughing he's like really he's a Victoria. Theytell you this every week we should know more by Friday. It got to the pointwhere I called him. I'd say daring. He Goes lemme, Gos they'll know more onFriday wo. I said yes and not I'm not saying laughing, and you know, but if you got to be like Yore goesagain, what are they? This department is a joke. You say what are theythere's no Victoria when Ou, when you first malhem tell this gentleman what Dick was had in his hand when, when Tracy showed up with the the Tasebokstuff, Oh, what I met with? Well, they onlynot with me, because I were close to the meeting they weren't like they didn't say hecome in. You know we have some update. Let's keep. They told me from the beatewe'll keep you a prize on everything as soon as we know something you'll be thefirst to know. That's what he told me so then I said you know I want ameeting. Well, there's we don't need to have a beaty there's, nothing that weneed to tell you, and I said, no, I'm demanding a meeting.I said I'm available every evening after four thirty, so you pick a dayMonday, ture Friday, that's whan, we're going to eet. So then they say: okay,the first meeting we had we come up there. He walks in with a bunch of astack of stabook house, vroine spacebook. He said well, this isreally. This is all we have Oky as far as Numas or what not needs,but just this was the information they had. Theywent to a OK, ta Er investigation, Te Somtotal, tere investigation, wherebu oposts for tastebook. Can you give me a break itwas oivening magers? was thereanything relevant in that stuff? No Butian El Thereasno, and what Y ASEBOOKis a OCHA, stiation right ocause? No, you need toinvestigate like Calbi. Sion have them come to the scene when we you interview people, interview,family interview, friends, interview people down at Chiplwa Lake.I, when I was when I was posting the missing danners down at Chipala before the polar bear Jon.There was a couple that approached me and said my son is too afraid, but hesaw something that night andhe, even he even he made referencethat his son works like a second job, and he was going into work that nightweknow exactly who victorias talking about his name is Michael Taylor, he'sa listener to this pog guest and he reached out to us. So we had anopportunity to sit down and talk to Michael Taylor and he told us exactlywhat he saw S. I was at the time I was working up:Ther Bluebeak, an truck wash righther, crossfrom, Ta and H. Hin is o Nice Yiftat that time, and I got off at about seven a an usually seven at young Bathere. I might have left a little bit early that day, ecause we were slow,but my parents, they live over there, Jibplik and UH. I was going had INA chipwaler on LakeRoad. That was a gin, a drive down by the water, theSETALS Tros Nover ecause. I was wantedg to do spice fishing and, U, I didn't, think nothing of that.I got down there to the stopsign to make that all right handturned by thebeach and I seen t black Harson there and idont- think nothing. Oher Havn't heardthat I didn't even hear anything ye so, but this as before, ven everybodyshowed up ban Othe, cops and whatnot, but I did what was weird to me. WasSomebody was walking? There's a basketball court down there. Somebodywas walking away from the beach area on the otherside of o bast of all Corp and they're wearing. I think it was like ablack hoody or SOM like a Jenk or...

...something with a hod on it. That wasblack and the weird thing to me was they were in short, no g. If youremember that day or anything, it was really cold that morning. So I mean that was just weird to me. I Ge that Ididn't think nothing of it at the time, but now that all this is being circulated, I was like well maybethat couldhave been something did. Did you see the guy get into that car? Thatwas waiting? No, I didn't see anybody get into thecar M I' just seen that person down therewalking away, like, I think, there's like a mlike whereeties at the wood, the kid oLi in the water right there dein the other side, I hot theywere walking withEUR head down right up against the edge of the water. How would you describethe car like Makein Model Asaron, the Mak, but an SV? So hlike? U It was black soprobablylike a suhurban or soer ton, Han Oe thears. I don't know if iet'll sthir ro, but Ihave like the longer back Arr. Okay. What what time you said you got offwork uroughly like so you think a little before seven, you think, or whattime were you to to between six thirty and seven am that morning? Okay, so this person waswalking away, how far away from the car? In your estimation, do you think he waswhen you saw him first, I'm guessing it's probably an Sooderche Oer Chetyshen, maybe inthe car was just sitting there running s Kiin at an angle. It wasn't onpointed to a spot or nothing UH. You know it. It isn't looks like a Pod Oer,you know was just sitting there taking a break or whatever just looking, but Ididn't see anybody in the car Um. I just seen that person. Can you describe more of that personlike how tall how heavy they're, probably roughly six fot, maybe o' terrible, judging Weig, but I'm justguessing, probably between one seventy five and two hundred, maybe liknormallike heavy yeah th, just looke like a normal person, white person, yeah, okay n, so you just pulled aroundthought. It was funny that this guy was walking with short train O hooey. Imean that's kind of the popry over their hand. There's no path or nothing.Goo Point I think at that time they were still building that big house thatwas just built up down the hill right. There yea the House on the hill yeah you kind of familiar with the area,because you said your parents live there, so you go in there a lot. This woandn't be someony that you couldhave mistaken at could be the property owner or somebody that belongs there. Idon't think so. I I Kinda, I don't know everybody inthat area, but Um there's a few older couples that livethere Um and there is a big house right there on the corner. I think that getsplinted out like in the summertime- you no theese young kids Thereso, but Idon't think nobody like occupies it. During the Winter Oka ie. I said that I think that house,brother, big house Ha Wu just bill- was still being built there Um, but nobodywas there. I mean there was like no workers or no other vehicles, oranything like that that I see so just to make sure I got some picturein this right. So Um the car you saw was parked down on beach side,boulevard kind of a like an angle kind of right, close to where the beachis isthat right, yeah YSENAEVERYTHIRH, an pece from the parand. This person waswalking towards like Chipwa road, or was this person walking in the otherdirection they were walking while they ere comeround the edge of the Water T. wounthey were heading south like towards us that likewalking towards the nlay area, like a carval area like that direction,litle carval walging towards the Carndil area yeahlike in that direction. Obviously the carnaval was dea is down farther, butlike talking that direction, Moka Gotcha, which is make I an to make sure'cause Virg a quicker into going the other way, so he would be tinly walkingaway from Chipwa road right, yeah. Okay, how long did you watch him for m? Just for I mean I stopped to thestopside there and, like I said, didn't, think nothing ofit at the time this was before everything came out, so I mean itwasn't very long, just a few seconds,...

...maybe I just kind o Cotin out thecorner of my hiyhlike Somebeonga was kindof weird because it was verycold and UH. I noticed they were in shorts and I waslike that's weird and Kno. Just proceeded on to my parents' house. An later on the day, alre sleep youfound out what happened yet later on that day M my parents, a re like goounear the concert here this and that's Gog on I'm like H. Well this morning, when is come to yourhouse, I seen this person and the Cari was like else I told my parents. I was like. Idon't know if I should say nothing because F, you know, I don't think, there's enoughinformation there to be able to help, and you know what Wasno that that'sinteresting. If that person is connected to that car and that the daythe body was discovered, I mean who's to say the body wasn't kept somewhereelse and DROPPD in the water. We don't know a d. We can't prove it throughthis, but this is definitely an angle that is kind of really fascinatid. Tothink about, and tha is what happened then, like maybe you saw the murdereror somebody that was responsible. You know M, I mean if there's nothing funnyabout it. Mi I teld her mom man, she kindof chuckled about she's like that,could have been the person you know A. I was like e man, I kind of in but owhen you do sa Om facebook. You know I thought I got to talk to this guybecause therethere's a remote cance that thatis what you CA. So so, who have you told so far about this Um ts, my fianceand there was a a page on facebook? It's not your guyas pag as like, gn Manyeah have age before message, Juguys andsomebody I asked you ran the page 'cause Iwanted to like I wantd, to shot a story that I had and I didn't know how togain conqect with Youe guys at the time. But somebody had message me back andsaid they were part of the family, and I had already you know, take out thiswhole big thing and sent it after they said it was ran by the family so andthen they werethey just said that they would passd the information over to theauthorities, and that was basically it, but so whe. When did you do that justrecently, or is this back a little bit ago? That was right before I messageyou guy so ot like thalas ago Om. Well, thank you for bringing that forwardright. That yeah you'rl you're very welcome one more question, and this is probablyan obvious question, but was that the only car you wer you saw where you lookyeah, I don't. I don't remember any cars passing Li coming up from thatdirection M. I think that was the onl one. At's Lon Tha know that I saw AOT Om. I just thought it was kind o Werd, OHei, know anything about Yomperall. The people lar in that town are kind ofnosy and everybody's watching HIVYBONEY, so he's Kindo is epected, nobody's seenanything really I mean have have you talked to all a PollhartMindal? No, I don't like onothe name. Do you care if we share this to makesure that H, Um, like uh at least somebody else listens to this thatit'sinvestigating the case? IFWOULD be toat, be great, I mean anything to help. Imean if e e has nothing to do with me, butI'm very interested to see what will happen to see the croict come out aboutit. So we are too we've bogged a lot of hourson this puppy trying to push something forward. Herso guys that'd be Col, he goes uncoveredthis thing: okay, cool! Thank you! So much for reaching out and Gorenally soappreciat, something else to call us efo Omand. I do Loto stuff Ron, theLeke, so I mean find the murder wonmen. You know younever know y. You got my number. If you find a freaking murder weapon, you haveto call me agaid, I mean O or a you thing n that were Interestintesideleast, really think, Michael for giving us that interview and telling uswhat he saw. It's extremely interesting. It couldt be very, very hopeful. We'regoing to be jumping back into the interview that we have with monventoryand we're going to be kindo going back to the part where Bitoria was relatingthat she heard about Michael. She didn't know who he was. She knew thatsomebody had seen something n that he was Frad to come forward now. After Y. U you've already had thebenefit of to ersome of victorious details. R, you cal tell that they arecoming from like second hand, Thir hand permission that she got o the Erin. Iso it's important. I think just to have...

...that respecte that we gotto hear andwait from his own mo, but I'm also going to leave some of it in justbecause I think it's interesting to understand how all this work, how thedetails that you might hear from somebody that Iraction you know thatwill become a leav differ once you actually talk to the individual and he even told them that he sawsomething that night at the lake. So the boy tas, not the sheriff's Saul forthe guy that worked Micht sae wasn't coming. He was coming home from a nightshift and he rememberds seeing something at the lake. He said he sawsomeone walking along the lake along the shoreline, Aon Bifa Gayon Rit, Pare, Arong, beachside, boulevard, cracked. It was like wel father down, Iguess is at BEA side Yeah. It was. He thoug. He said, he's Passomen walkingalong the shore line and he saw someone behind the shed, which is at the end ofthe Lake Okay and he just kind of kept driving notedit as weird being in the Misir driving they lived there. The parents Wev thereand when he was getting out of his vehicle he saw this, but he was too afraid togo to the surs apartment himself, so he just told the guy that he walked withone of the deputies. What did the deputy think do? Yo Know?Hei, don't think he did anything obviously, and I even told that whatthis couple looked like 'cause, I was down there, but I didn't have a pen oranything to wait down and they told me Wel. We live right up here on the hilland I said Oky I said I'm going to have somebody come and talk to you andthat's when I went the next day and I call on my break and I told Um I told detective Carwright, I said Thithere's this couple I'll, tell you exactly what they look like. They toldme where they live. I said you can go interview them. I don't believe they ever Ni. Theydidn't interview anybody down there and when another family heard somethingdown at the lake, they called the sheriff's department and they never didanything about it. The God was a nervous rack ot, you don't go there: okay, okay, okay, butbut what what's? The interesting is that the family called theSherifsoffice yeah three times and they never the Shersavas, never spotted othisis to a resident who witnessed it woal seeeat least a portion of this homicide MHM. Okay, so we do got witnesses we justand then we have a winduss to to a portion of it and we really can't goany further than that. Yeah other tha. One question you can tell me Yafter, noone! This! Have you you've vetted this yourself? I'm sorry! Have you vettedthis yourself? You can answer this or not it's up to you. Oh Yeah. I mean you're going interestedWHA. Have you toln the person? Okay? So you guys have vetted this, and this ishelpful for I we no IYEA. No, it's GIT's out. I Salid information gooddeal good Um. So what about h? Camera footage? Soyou know in the paper they asked about. If you live on these streets, pleaseyou know. Let us know if you have any footage Um, you know possibly that wecould access and stuff wh. Do you guys know of any footage? No MM, no footage UM interesting. Now we havea very questionable lead that we were going to look into m the N at Kibualake. U per the mayor told us to go talk tothem. Have you guys talked to them at all, doctohol that in JBUALAK BUT INN? What is the aunt? It's alittle like far kind of place going up. Do she thought that they might have hadsome sort of video footage, but she didn't know that for sure she she couldKinda all Pantid as ' matter of, but we haven't got there yet as far as for us,but you c a you can go check, but it's such a late date, Nol Beianol, I'm not quite sure what place you're.Speaking of because there's a I don't knowof anything in Shipoi likethere's the oaks, so it's up the hill from beacside Boloo we're pulling it upon our phone right now, a okay you're talking about the tavern up onHeatherhedge, I thin! Yes, Othehad Te...

Village Asl a an Aleer. Yes, his longAcre plan, the Welthi at least bymean. The words are so could be on. You knowone side and thethe F. No, I I know exactly where you're talking about, butyou guys haven't collected anything from then Galing. But quite frankly, Idon't think they have any and I may be wrong, but Idon't remember any exterior cameras there. But again, that's just my memory.Okay! Well, if we do find something we'll we'll call you enough,aointhatyeabut Um interesting. So so you guys have gotstuff that the sheriff's office doesn't necessarily have or probably doesn'teven necessarilymay even care to have they don't give a shit, not that's thereality and in fact, if you look at that at their cotical press conference,where snder tries to assertit Britn is responsible for hisown death, which was complete the contrary to wat the corner said they're just making excusesso that they are not held accountable for failing to do exercise duediligence in this thing which they have not done right. So, let's see, let's skip towell us on the Rier Jusi wantd. What is your honest God feeling about thesheriff's aparmen? Is it incompetence or ther actively trying to coversomething? I mean? What do you think of an Investitr I? Well. I think there are severalforces at player. One is the political end of it with powers who seems to be overne Shaker in in MdinaCounty Republican politics. But beyond that I think they're just incompitent IO, an't, potect anybody or anythinglike that. Just IA wite. I don't. I don't think so, but I jsafully unwoundyou, but let me just give you an example: they decided, or this detective decidedthey were going to take m DNA specimens termala firemen Al Right and they didn't do that. They didn'tget 'em all, but they got some. But when the guy was taken the samples shenever changed his gloves. So all the samples were cross. ancapinated they'renot worth the power to Blon to help that's just inconfitence the proper protocol is you take ThiXample, you discard the glove you put out, another steril glove and then yougo at it again. Well, this guy didn't do that. You knowit's just incompitence at the very in so they so they spent whatever moneythey spent to get these things examined and they were alt crock an cavity. Theyhad absolutely no value yeah and I wasn't even done in a tielymanner, either no absolu that wasn't done in like a day after the two daysafter that was done, lot afterdret and then INA dn Ata compared to anywaysright. Well, they t they woul Kno Heh. They apparentlyhave some Danna from the blade towel that they recovered. That's not dines WEAS, obviously notprime, no, okay! 'cause. In his statement he said that you know it all came from quote one source right.Well, yeah! You can't believe anything, they say letme. Let me go you an example. Theysaid th early on, they said the footprints in the in the in the skepseen crime. scedes are allconsistent with Bryants Shoes O. Well, they pay tha statement,befor lea a cat issue, so they gev no Shif, but but the reality is. There areother cikrets there that I talked to a witness who said Toh they're like work, food prints, not dress, useworkputs. So these guys lie. You know yeah, clearly aa the way to put it.They just make stuff up. Yeahyeah my brother in law called own all downto be siand said you know so umwhat's going on with the investigation, what you have of briants and they saidOhwell, he said well, he he had boot a he madereference to beat sprangos Hurdarand said how would you know that Bryan isn'trecovered yet interesting and he's like? Oh well, you know whatyou need. You need to contact the sheriff's department. Everything has togo through them. I I can't talk to you.

So it was ae n AV example of howincompitent they are a brigh laptop which which Victoriakindly turned over was encrypted and they couldn'tfigure it out. ESENTOEFTIO the ECRIP heis forty eight digins, so there's Noa, O Ocen randicly Trun,tate ten thousand years yeah. So I found the encryption key. Ilike I found it Ando he ound it. So all these guys arescurryind around trying to figure out how to get it. BMSI Sundrivs, I justfound it online and HS. MT N Account. He was in a in a file yeah and I turnedit over to Thit, with the understanding that if I gave them e key to open thecomputer, that we would get the information contained theyrein and, ofcourse they rediged on that Yeu're trying to act like it was his sinisterlike. Oh, he had this encryption Coa. You know he encrypted his computer. Hetraveled for a living. He carried half a million dollars in jewelry, while thereality is so the Lowyer Lick, his computer yeah, the employer licked theemployer did it. He instole all the enchryptial stuff, yeah, okay, Horwasn't Brian's doing to put that encryption on t ere was the employernot that we believe the employer Ete the computer right,rign 'cause, there's trade debd information, Oh yeah! No, I I have acomputer. That's got all the nip of stuff on the outther Ois ad, even withByin, carrying all that jewelery there'se still in assurance. He I mean they. They insured him tocarry it and they're still. If he were rapbed, it would be a loss yeah, butit's Um, so so the the an industry ten yearsago they were carrying real stones in the center as their center stones andthat so it was a lot higher Um insurance policies. But you know whenthe economy went tainte and all this they had to come up with of more economical way per se to travelrather than carrying all these loose goods that were Um of value o. If you steal, if you, if you steal what they have, if youcome and rib the jeweler or the sales guy carrying the jewelry, now theydon't get the center stone whenor. It was a four five thousanddollar center tont. He get that plus the Mountin. Well now they became Harlike wait a minute. Let's just ether, put a separate eiter, no dianeond in there orwe'll put the CZ. So they still get the look when they go to the customer, butyet they don't get the real stone. Yeah, and I mean you know it's not like brain.You know got a message from his phone went down there. You know to go, getrobbed right. You know o O Rin. Out of that. You know. Another thing: that'sLinda made that stement Tenedia, like Oh, you know I think she's lie. There'sno money missing, yeah Te, linl, Ri ifther was moneynessing. First of alland second of all, she she made it look like she. You know this could havesomething to do with his. You know his work good, interesting thing aboutthat too yeah Yo whild. Are you fellows familiarwith that say that again, are you familiar with the Ohio jet book,which is a a website? Well, it's the same website,but the communities canpost to with their extendatures and income and allthat okay from utithern. It was lern it back years ago, whenBrian was umhe helped the school like before he was potentially he wanted. They askd anreached out if he'd ever like to run for school board, so he he was on like a planning committee too,for the schools as a citize, it was called Ha citizens,finance committee, so it was like citizens in the community could overseewhen this was going on with our past Superintendent Nat Um, when all thosechanges came about that they they started this citizen Finance Committeeso that they could the community could be apprized as to what was going on inthe schools, keep everything Um transparent and en he was part of that,and he found that there was this service that you could do through thestate that it was a Checkbok legister.

So it would keep the community Um, basically a prize to how the funds inthe schools were being spent. So every check that a school district wouldwrite would go on record to this check book register and anyone its a publiclecord Coul, go to that technic registring, look Oso! He kept things transparent, sobrian found that out like through the school district and thought, Hey,that's a really good! That's a good service! Like you know, communitiesshould have that, so he tok back to Lafette and lafiette started using that AIB AJI oncill twenteen yeah one intwoend an sixteen all of a sudden. They quit Cosin intwenty six cate on. Oh, I wish I didn't know Y, but whatcertainly suggests to me is that they s pinacially regularity, there, that'swhat he sugest to me so under during twenty sixteen, when Brian was alive,this stopped going. Somebody put an end to it. Well, somehow all I know is ID going onthe website and they were posting to it and Wey made a big deal in the news.MEDIAA, the local and I use atter realnessly Um. Now this is going to be great. Ittranspearon is wonderful, but in the year twenty, sixteen, when all of thishappend on you know at the end of it, do you see no posts in twoent a sixteenor thereafter, and then the comment was made. There's no money missing. yeahwllwhy would youeve say that whenthat's not an issue, you know what I mean yeah. No, it's kind o lie Tonowso.What what that pauses me to suspect is that there's Moneyman we're going to leave it there for today,but we got plenty more on the briant macron case coming up and the next fewepisodes in fact we're extending it. I think we promised six or seven Brianmacron episodes and honestly O, be I eservice to the case to not go into ita little bit further, because we are learning new stuff everyday and justlike what we talked about in this episode between the Ohio check booksome irregularities. As far as the testing was going, what was going onwith BCI there's so many things that we want to explore to really give you thefull nixture of how strange this case is that we are going to go further withit Um. I don't think we have Ay choice. I think we got to keep going with thisin the meantime until the next episode next week comes out, go to our facebook. Follow us there we're putting up updates. We want to hear back from you.We Love Your guys, are suggestions and leads and teps and just enjoyinteracting with you period. Also. We have our own webpage where we have atimeline in different bawls, some resources there so check that out w. We just want to think everybody thathas taken the Times or write a review about the show on itunes. I know thatthat really helps, and we appreciate that. Lastly- and this is mostimportant- remember- crime stoppers, if you have any relevant information atall contact crime, stoppers first make sure that you get out there. There is areward, so just be mindful of that, and everybody take care of yourselves havea good week and we'll see you next weekthe invisible ships. ONCAST isproduced by invisibo ships, production, llse, all rights reserved for moreinformation; Goodwww, not invisible ships, but gas dontcome.

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