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Episode 6 · 2 years ago

Six Stab Wounds

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When the body of a missing township trustee is found in a lake in small-town Ohio, the mysterious circumstances surrounding his disappearance and autopsy findings raise more questions than they answer

Chippewa Lake is a small village in Madinah County, Ohio, with a population of under eight hundred people. The village shares its name with the lake that it sits on. Today, Chippawa Lake shores are crowded with the town houses and cottages that were once used as weekend escape homes for wealthy clevelanders. The village also shares its coastline with an abandoned and dare looked amusement park, whose decaying remnists have slowly been reclaimed by nature near the lakeside. Chippewa Lake is a quiet, mostly forgotten place whose glory days are long gone. The people of Chippaw Lake were quite content to be forgotten by the rest of the world, and we're enjoying their peaceful, quiet village. And then one day a grizzly discovery was made and everything was about to change. Breaking news out of Madinah County a town trustee, missing for weeks, just confirmed to be the body found in Chippawa Lake. When I heard about it, I had like an inclination that that could be the person that was found. His family and friends with some closure to his mysterious disappearance. But the investigation into how he died is just beginning. Cry Ready. Protect all, we are back for season two of invisible ships and we are coming out of summer vacation early because our brother in law, Darren, who never met and we've never discussed before, but it's a super exciting guy is we're talking about, has been in our year all summer about a case that he's fascinated about, and it's a case that involves the disappearance and ultimately murder of a local politician. He was a township trustee from a rural town nearby where we live. Yeah, so back when this happened in December sixteen, right away that was the subject of conversation at Thanksgiving and Christmas when we would be over there and just kind of chatting about what's going on in the world, and we followed it ever since. And then just this summer he got a tip from one of the locals that he works with out there of where the murder weapon may have been dumped in an inlet into the Chipwah Lake. So Darren Being Darren, actually went out and purchased too heavyweight fishing magnets with the hopes that we would be able to recover this murder weapon that was thrown into the Chippewa Lake in Let. I just want to make a point here, and this is going to apply to a lot. One of the great things about Rick and one of the great things about there and is when they do something, they don't do it small, they do it really big. And so one afternoon we all got together and we decided to go magnet fishing under a damaged, decades old concrete bridge over the Chippewa. And Okay, we've successfully snuggled our inflatable kayaks into the Chippewa and lit and we are peddling around under the bridge. We've dropped our fishing magnets and we're pulling up a lot of rust and a lot of bridge debris, some nails, nothing really to get excited about. And then all of a sudden I make the most important discovery of the day. Hold this out of the Chippewa Inlet. Let's like, a butter killed Brian macra or is something that somebody used to cut bread and butter. Okay, I'm not convinced that that was the murder weapon. What we found was a rusted old butter knife that looked like it had been in the water for quite a while and probably has more to do with a century and a half of people enjoint picnics on the shores of Chippewa Lake or to the abandoned amusement park, and very little to do with the death and disappearance of Brian macren. Yeah, so maybe we didn't find the actual murder weapon, but it got the investigative juices flowing. Yeah, it definitely did. And then Darren calls a couple days later with some really exciting news. Hey, Darren, hold up,...

...what he's not? He's talking to youator. Oh No way, man. We got to record that. They feel like actually did this. Holy Crap, dude, that's awesome. Yeah, okay, Danny, you know that we have an interview coming up with Brian Makrn's widow and with her private investigator, and they're going to be given us some really good stuff, some things that I didn't even think they talked to the news media about. In fact, I'm certain that this is the most definitive interview that anyone is ever conducted with Victoria Makrin, the widow of Brian macron. And before we get into the interview with those two, though. Let's bring Darren into the studio and I want him to kind of go over the case with us, what got him into it and just let's talk about some theories. Yeah, we're here now with Darren. Are Invisible Shit, mate. It's good to be here. I thought, you know, like being a brother in lawn I we'd be called like, you know, seamen or something, but I think that's appropriate. But Anyway, welcome on board and we're glad that you're here because you know more about the Brian macrom case than pretty much anybody out there right this has been a long standing kind of fascination for you. I don't know if I know more than anybody out there, but I definitely know what has been put out in the newspapers and it's you know, it's been a really exciting journey here so far as far as collecting all this stuff and starting the process of reaching out and different people that that just want to they want answers, and I think that's that will find that as we go forward, that that people are are really still in a tune to this. They want answers, they want to know what happened to Brian they're they're not buying it right and they know. The more that I think about this particular case, it's either the most complicated suicide or this man was murdered. And hopefully we have you know you're going to get into that and kind of explain why you think that this was a murder. And I don't know, just as you can't us about Brian EMERICRET's case. And Real quick, before you get started to I I just want to point out that one of the advantages that you have here, Darren, is you live in Medinah County, close to where this happened, and your work takes you through those small town and the whole area where this happened, and you were onto this case kind of right away when it happened because it was in the local news and it peaked all of our curiosity. So you've kind of been on the ground with this sort of the whole time. I mean, obviously you weren't actively investigating the whole time, but you were always kind of listening for any news right. Yeah, I mean, you know, I am I am. I have no investigative skills whatsoever. I am just a a resident of Adanna County. I read the news, I talked to people. I you know, I think we've all three of us, have the ability to reason. But yeah, you know, it's just I like I like date lines, you know, and it was like, oh my gosh, like as soon as this happened, it was this is something straight out of date line, like date line's going to pick this up, no doubt this is there. Didn't day line actually come to town and they just kind of never did an episode? Because there's no conclusion yet. I know that dateline interviewed Brian's brother, that he interviewed...

...with date line, but that's the only spot that I have found thus far that date line is looking into it. The story has everything small town family man that you never expected coming and then just the mysterious circumstances and unknown manner of his death that you're going to lay out for us here. Yeah, you know, I mean I sit and talk with, you know, my wife, and it's like this is like a real life clue game where you really just sit there and you just think, I don't know exactly who did this, but I think, I know it's got to be. It's got to be one of the ones that I think we're going to talk about but, like I said, this is all amateur work. Yes, we're not going to make any allegations. We don't. This is just all our kind of thoughts and sort of amateur investigation and interviews with some of the principles involved, an interview with Brian's widow, Victoria, and her private investigator. So we do have some firsthand reporting. What they say is what they say. It's not necessarily our opinion. We're going to let them speak freely. I think that if we're going to do the interview, we're going to do it right and we're going to let them talk. Whatever kind allegations they make, they make that on their own. I think at the end of the day we just noticed that here in our own backyard we have a very intriguing mystery and also a very tragic story that there's hurting people and hurting family out there that wants answers. And you know, there wasn't really a whole lot out there about this. And I do just want to make one thing clear. Victoria technically does not have a private investigator. Okay, the gentleman that we've that we I have made contact with and we'll have on an interview. He is technically a retired federal criminal investigator. It sounds more repressing it is that he's got. You know, the more that I talk with him, the he really knows his stuff. I mean he victoria was fortunate to have somebody put the man hours in and with the expertise that he has, we he's definitely an asset to the case. No doubt he knows more than I do. Did Paul harmon contact Victoria Macron or to Victiorya macron find him? Like, how did they? Well, so Victoria got a lawyer. Last name's Lily, and Lily knows Paul. Paul. Paul knows a lot of people in this area. He's just one of those guys that you know the justice system. He's been in and out of quite a bit, not from a personal standpoint but from a workstand but legal side correct. Yes, so you know he knew lily. He is frustrated before this with how cases get handled out here in Medinah County, and I mean just being out here and even since the macarn murder. I mean there's another case I would love to talk about at some point. You know that that just it's just doesn't make sense. So he saw that he didn't want Victoria to get railroaded. So some for my understanding, he reached out through Victoria's lawyer and they agreed and he is doing this all pro bono. Those transition now into talking about Brian Acront as a person and then Brian Machrin disappearance and why this case is interesting, why this not just a cut and dry missing person case or even a cut and dry suicide or murder. So I mean, I think we're going to understand what we know my Brian and particularly what I'd like to do first, because I think there's going to be a lot of listeners that are going to be local and I think it's good to other people that aren't so local one are just interested in the case in general. I think we need to paint...

...the picture of what we've been through locally. As far as you know, the the information given at certain time points. So what I've done is I've pulled together information that strictly from articles published of WHO Brian was. So this is not anything that Victoria has said. This is stuff that's come from the different news like Da Grinbeacon, the gazette, Cleveland plane dealer, stuff like that. So what we know is Brian was a township trustee. He was elected in two thousand and ten. There was a vacancy at that point that he was able to fill. He did get reelected in two thousand and fifteen. So he lives in Lafayette Township. He was trying to get on the board for the school in two thousand and thirteen, but then I guess there was like a conflict of interest at that point. So active guy, active in his community. Sort of a political career starting? Yeah, yeah, he was. He was kind of starting this political career. He was a freshman football coach from Adina City, which is interesting because he's a father of three girls. So he's kind of got this like, you know, desire, I think, as a man to do that. But originally he isn't from Adina. He grew up in North Royalton. He met Victoria, which is which was his wife, in nineteen eighty nine. He's a jeweler, or drew worked for a jeweler business. He started working at a jewelry store of a teenager, so it's kind of like a high school job that he was doing. He went to triestee nineteen ninety one. He was enlisted in the Marines. He was part of an anti terrorism security team called fast. He did go to Guat Guatanamo Bay. He was stationed there. Just sort of your upstanding all American man that, which will be a part later, would know how to take care of himself to with them. The military background, marine. I mean Marines are just tough. That's kind of like what we know about Brian. Now going to two thousand and sixteen. So this is, you know, this is when it all happened. So December fifteen of two thousand and sixteen. What we know based off of the newspapers, was Brian attended a social function with some colleagues. The colleagues that we knew were like from like different at least Lafayette Township. We don't know exactly who all was there. We don't even know when, necessarily where. It was on the sixteen, you know. So I heard that was at the waiting lizard. That's what we know. That later, yeah, but we didn't know that at the time of the this is all based off the article. So this is kind of like when things came out and when the locals knew it. So when anybody following the case early on, that's all the information they had. In the first article on the sixteen that's when Brian's office. So they basically they put in, like you know, trustee missing under suspicious circumstances. They located a car but they did not provide the address. So all we knew was that's when everybody kind of knew who Brian was at that point. As far as like that something, something weird was going on. Right before Christmas, they you know, he said that he was last seeing at the at a County Township Association Holiday Party at Winking Lizard. So you're right. At the sixteen that's when they announced it. In Brunswick. The day after he went missing, eight thousand dollars was spent replace the carpet and repaint the walls and ceiling of the township office. That was from the Beacon Journal. Okay, yeah, that's highly suspicious. That is in that we will definitely be telling about. More so in the twenty one, you know, the BCI and FBI were involved. Now keep in mind the twenty one, the sixteen. There's more than a day right. So BCIFBI involved. The...

...report the office was ransacked, reports blood was found in his office and his car and release where his car was located. Reports that a colleague found the office early in the morning of twelve sixteen. Well, the Madigner County Sheriff's department says this case got started right here at the LAFFIA township administration building. At for township coworker contacted investigators about what looked like a possible altercation and suspicious activity at the offices here. The investigation revealed the township trustee Brian Macron was found to be missing under suspicious circumstances. Several hours later, police a macrons abandoned vehicle was found four miles away here in this public parking lot on beach side boulevard in Chippewa Lake. This case involving trustee mackground has now triggered an official missing person's report. Anyone with information about this case is being asked to contact of a Dinah County Sheriff's Department reporting here in Lafia Township. I'm news five investigator Joe Pakanakas. There he reports an altercation. Chaff reports altercation. However, does not want to read into it too far, and that was from David Sender Center, is someone that you guys need to remember. That someone who will be talking about. He's the sheriff of Madiah County at the time. So he wasn't the head sheriff. Sheriff was Miller. He was in charge of the investigation. He is now the chief of police of Hinckley, but at the time he was just a captain who is in charge of the investigation. Yeah, they would not report where the blood was found in the car and they still I mean, I don't fire recall, right, if we get to the end here. They never reported where the blood was found in the car. They wouldn't say makes such if it's in the front seat or the trunk. It makes a huge difference. Yeah, it kind of does. Absolutely does. Brian macarn had a meeting scheduled with the resident at the office that morning. Macarn's office was found in disarray and the sheriff believes there may have been an altercation. While I mean if it was ransacked, I think that's a fair assessment. Right. If they have to replace the ceiling, that's so paint the ceiling anyway. Yeah, Baint the ceiling the day after. Why? Why? Also because the assailing paid to the ceiling. I mean that's what it sounds like, that there was blood. So on the twenty six day after Christmas, that's when Darren macarn, that's the brother Brian, interviewed by dateline and said somebody knows something. So already you can see that the family starting to kind of wonder about this. He's the younger brother and he said they're I'm there is this gut feeling that we have something hat that we have that something is wrong. Is What he's speaking for the family. No good, something had to have happened. It's not him, as far as you know, that that Brian, and you know didn't just run off. There's this idea early on that Brian just all of a sudden decided to up and leave and go to California and assume a new life. Okay, but that would only make sense if you didn't find a trail of blood and an office two stories before somebody to do that. Plus you would also see lots of other things, like money being moved around right personal items gone taken. That would make a lot more sense and everything. I guess what I'm saying is I'm not trying to be Labor a point, but makes no sense for the investigators to even go down that avenue with the evidence that they had. You know, if you found blood enough that you need to paint walls, ceiling, replace carpet, spend eightzero dollars, why would there be a rumor going around that he left right and with no car,...

...no wallet, No Cell Phone? makes no sense, but it was out there and it actually really derailed Mrs Macring, which I think he has a fine later in an interview. So on the seventh hey, I got to stop you there. During what's the last quote from? During macron? There is this gut feeling that we have that something is wrong. I'll just say I'm putting my faith in the FBI. So that's ten days after Brian Goes Missing and he's that's just kind of already a strong statement to say, kind of dismissing the local Police Department or investigation team. That's ten that's ten days later, right early on. You know, when you're still dealing with the idea that your brother's gone and that your husband's gone, that Your Dad's gone, and they're already saying what the hecks going on with this investigation and they had no faith early on in the in the whole thing as far as who there, who is collecting evidence, and you know, how much evidence are they collecting and what are they looking into the evidence that they had? If they thought the guy ran off, then I would probably lose all respect for that investigation right away too. Well, we don't know that. The police in that which we're going to think about who Brian was. We just go to go right up to the top. You know, he was a freshman football coach. He ran for you as trusty. He wanted me on the school board. I mean, if anybody put their time and effort into the community, it's this guy. Why would you leave the community you're working your butt off for? Totally, and not to mention some of the his projects that he was involved in as a trustee, as far as working really hard to get a new fire station built. And I know you'll get into it and meant here, but, like you said, he was very invested in his community right. I mean I think most people would say at being a township trustee is not necessarily like a big badge of honor, but really like a Labor of love. Yeah, you get, you get paid not much money and you get a lot of headaches. You know, it's a tough job, no doubt, and you know I have a lot of respect for the trustees where I live. You know, like I said, they gotta they gotta put up with a lot and they don't get a lot in return there it's it is for the betterment of the community that I think most trustees are out there for. Absolutely not much happened in January other than this vigil. Bryan still gone. We go to February and that's when crime stoppers gets involved. evolved. On the tenth of February they put out a five thousand dollar reward. Still nothing happened. And then on the twenty one was the big day of February. On February twenty one, two thousand and seventeen, that was the big day. A gruesome find in the water, leaving us with more questions than answers. Tonight a kayaker on chip of wild lake discovers a man's body and it's close to where a missing township trustees car was found. Brian macron is up insane since December fifteen. I thought that was the only thing. I thought was kind of interesting was I mean this kayaker was he's got a nitr view out there, but actually opened the eyelids and thought he was a mannequin at first. But he said that he felt that God brought him to that place to find briant, that God brought him to that place to find Brian. They found their car but they never found the body and I thought, my goodness, could this be the missing man? Frank Webber is talking about missing moffiette township trustee, Brian macrin, last see...

...more than two months ago. But at first sight Webber didn't know what you found. It look like a doull's head or maybe a mannequin, but a closer look put warrant a cold tone. been a Ladyman, been in a water quite a while. It would be scary to find body in there. Even feel like he said, like you know, it's good, obviously good that the body was found. It would be a freddy experience, I could imagine. So see Tousen all up right. You know, what I think is interesting is, okay, so we've had this blood in this office, which we would imagine that they took for testing. Will conveniently two days later after they find Brian, that's when the prosecutor Forrest Thompson, states that there's only one source. Also, on the twenty three, that's the first time that you hear the other two trustees. So there's through trustees and La Fette township. Mike Costello, who we found earlier, was with Brian at the movie. Then Brian went home and then went got up, went to the township and then was was missing. And then there's Linda bowers, is the other township trustee. There is kind of a big deal right. Yeah, Linda has done a lot. She is she seems like. I've never met Linda. I've never talked to Linda. We reached out for comment. That we not we did. We reached out to Linda and Mike and I have an email that I have to pull up and I'll read of but they declined ultimately to interview. But yeah, Linda, you know, if there's it seems like she's one of those people that if there's something that needs someone to volunteer, she seems like she's kind of that person that's going to volunteer to take over that big sale. She might. So she she put out a statement saying they I'm sorry she didn't. They put out a statement to the township and it says a man who deeply loved his family and his God, Brian was so proud to represent the residents of Lafayette, a close knit township that especially enjoyed his spontaneous wit and ready willingness to help others. Bryan was never afraid to roll up his sleeves and do whatever and need to be done. We will cherish the memory of Brian's favorite encouragement make it happen. That was their statement. For my understanding, the to trustees really supposedly have talked to law enforcement, but other than that have been very close lipped about this whole case and there there will be a lot of different conversations to follow regarding concerns that that some of the people we interview about. Linda bours in my custello. Okay, so at this point we have the body. So I'm assuming that you know the medical examiner looks at the body. What are the what are the authorities saying is the cause of death for briant? What do we know? Six stab wounds. They noted it to be the shoulder, the neck, in the forearms. There was a deep wound on the left side of his neck. However, they said it did not hit any vital veins. One Stab wound on the left of the neck was listed as superficial. They report nothing was in his airway and that they do not know how long he was in the water. So did they ever say anything about wounds looking like defensive wounds or anything like that? To my knowledge, not in that article. Cool so, but at this point in April of two thousand...

...and seventeen, we know it's six stab wounds from the shoulders, neck and forearms. So not on one location and then found in the water, but no water and as long so not drowning. Hey, forearms sound like that's probably defensive. Well, or or if you're arguing suicide, it could be suicide, but on your forearm. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do your shoulders, your neck and your farms for suicide. And you can't commit suicide by drowning if there's no water in your lungs. The people want to know. You know I, like I said, I work, you know, in around with Anna County. I've talked to a fair amount of not everybody, but I've talked to anybody I come in contact with down Chippewa Lake area. You know, it's a conversation starters better than asking how the weather is. You know, I just come out and say what do you think happened to Brian? I do have to say his last name. You know, that's totally true. Remember, Darren, you and I went to the village in, which is a bar in Chippewa Lake in it basically it's almost right next to where they found Brian macan's car. We went in there and we started talking to some of the patrons, so the people that have been part of the community for years, how they feel about the case and what they think happen. Yeah, so sayybody else. We're in chival all right now now at the village in and just asking some people their impressions on the Macron case. Do you believe that Markran committed suicide or do you think he was murdered? I think he was murdered. So you don't buy the suicide at all, do you think? Are You satisfied with the way that the investigations gone? Do you think of a police are being open about it? No, I think some so, and any one person the right. He is dropped off that bridge. That's what I feel like to think that. Yeah, this point I think would be good at talk about the theories of what. What? What? What would have happened? What could have happened? What's the pro pausible things that we need to think about and consider? Yes, okay, let's do that, but before we get into talking about motives and everything, I think that we should play this clip. It is from the sheriff's department with a Hild a press conference and you're going to hear David Settner, who is captain with the deputy and he was also the head of Brian Machron's investigation, and he's gonna be talking about some of their findings. And just listen, because it sounds like they are trying to build the case that Brian macron acted alone and that this was a suicide, even though the evidence that they have and that we have, it seems kind of hard to get our heads around this being a suicide. But nevertheless, that seems to be the route that the sheriff's apartment is trying to take. Just take a listen. The purpose of this press conference is to provide an update of the investigation to the death of Brian macron based on all the information that we have to date. As you know, the Madinah County Sheriff's Office was notified of Mr Macron's disappearance at approximately seven thirty am on December sixteen. Deputies were immediately dispatched the township administration building in the macron home and at this time an investigation was opened and initiated. Within an hour and ten minutes, Mr Macron's vehicle was located via on star detection parked in the beach snipe parking lot next to Chippwall Lake. It's important to note leading up to Mr Machron's death...

...the Mr Mackron himself had incurred a large, considerable large amount of financial debt, along with other personal behaviors he was engaged in. They were unknown to his family and friends that we will not go into detail at this time. Video surveillance from area businesses and residence has showed Byron Backron's vehicle drive route or the early mornings of December sixteen, which began with his arrival at the township administration building at one hundred and fifty am. His vehicle left the township building at approximately six and twenty four am and, as is observed, passing a residence near the lake minutes later. Physical evidence processed by the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigations from the township administration building, as well as Mr Machron's recovered vehicle, resulted in matching Brian machron's DNA. DNA and blood found in and around the bathroom sink and on the fawcet matched only Brian Machron. The bloody footprints located in the administration building were consistent with the shoes Brian Machron was wearing at the time his body was recovered. No additional blood from anyone else was obtained in or around the administration building or in or around his vehicle. As a matter of due diligence and standard protocol, several emergency responders and township employees DNA profiles were obtained in the case of cross examination or cross contamination of the scene. As a corner stated earlier, the cause and manner of death listed on the autopsy is undetermined. Upon reviewing the autopsy report in the physical evidence are investigators have determined that, based on all the ovens obtained to date, that no other person other than Brian Machron was involved in his death and that press conference center says they have video of him arriving at the trustees office at like one undred and forty five am or whatever, and then he leaves again at six something. I am so he's like four hours of missing time and there and then drives away and then he mentions another camera caught the car, which we think might be that tavern and Chapboa Lake, and then they find the car. So did he why was he there? You know, just that thought's go through your mind. If it's suicide, are you do go to worry? Would you be there for four hours in the hall? Yeah, and there's root reports that he had an early morning meeting scheduled with. Was it a resident of the township? Maybe? There's lots of rumors about it. So, I mean it was supposed to be able. We don't know who that was. We've heard, you know, just a resident. We've heard an angry resident. But either way, you know, you're not going to like magically wake up and say, Oh, yeah, that meeting at thirty, let's say, Gee, I wonder, I think I'll get there around two am, you know. So you know the and if and if it's a resident, like why would you say, Oh yeah, sure, let's just move your time with the two am, that's great. I haven't gone to sleep yet, you know, or maybe I did, but now I'm awake. You know, says no one. You know, no one's going to get up out of bed go down there for an angry resident, right. And then let's say that you did and you had a five angry resident and then they leave and you're so distraught from this fight that you decide to start to commit suicide as a marine, who you know? I don't, I am not a marine, and I don't know what they learned, but I'm sure they learn how to handle a knife and how to kill someone, to the point where I wouldn't take six wild steps to figure out how to commit suicide. And then getting your car and drive to the lake and then disappear for a couple months before you're pound, not to mention get out of your car, leave no blood trail, which you did all over your office and in your car, and you know, then all of a sudden, magically disappeared to the point where they can't find you. You know I...

...mean, I'm I like the deer hunt, you know it's you. When you shoot a deer. You got the blood trow that's what you followed. Typically, if you don't see it drop right away, you know there's a trail. It's got to happen. Footprints, you know it's not it shouldn't be hard if the person's in dire straits. There's a lot that doesn't add up about any of this and I don't have a ton of knowledge about suicides, but a couple things that we do know just from looking at statistics. That men typically use firearms. I'm pretty sure that macro was a firearm owner. To suicide don't normally happen in multiple location, specifically because they're usually momentary. Crisis. Is that if the person stops the suicidal action for a while, to say get in a car and drive somewhere else, most of the time that's enough to make the person seek help or it's going to stop. It's suicide. is just doesn't fit. No, that's a good point. There's actually interesting interviews with suicide survivors that like jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and still survived, and I remember one the guy said like as soon as my feet left I'm like, Oh, I want to live right and and I've seen those and they say about eighty eight. This is very high number. The people that have their suicide interrupted by another person or whatever. They they don't, you know, necessarily want to commit suicide again. Like you said, they're they're happy that they lived. So I will say real quick the only way that I can kind of rep my mind around the suicide is if maybe five of those cuts were testing and then the one cut in his shoulder was very deep and started bleeding freely and he realized he wasn't dying. So he gets in his car. Maybe he wanted to go to the ER, maybe you, and then he was confused that from the blood loss and ended up at Chipua Lake, or maybe he wants to die somewher scenic. That's the only way that would kind of make sense to me, but that seems like a stretch. And also, both suicides don't happen at unfamiliar places, but typically at your home. I mean we there's cases in jail where the person has no other choice, the cases you know somebody a hotel room, but typically psychologists say that you choose a very familiar and even meaningful place you commit suicide. So I guess we have to consider the possibility that chip well lake held some significant meaning for him. If it was a suicide. I can see the office being a place where he would have an opportunity, if he went there two in the morning and that was, you know, the place that he felt comfortful and familiar with, to do it. But again, it's hard for me to grasp starting it somewhere, stopping, getting in a car and driving right. No, not at all, and I mean he didn't have any like previous things. Mean, you wouldn't go to a trustees thing and then go see a movie, you know, and socialized, you know, normally, I mean, like you know, you usually are more withdrawn at that point, you know. Yeah, okay. So if suicide seems like a unlikely prospect, then the pretty much barring some freak like natural explanation for somebody bleeding that much for natural causes, would have to be foul play, right, I mean, you know, yeah, you can't talk to anybody around here that, at least that I haven't found somebody that feels that suicide is anything reasonable here to look at, and I mean like you know, to come to that conclusion what, six months after this all happened? You know, there's a lot of least from my aspect and...

...what I've been doing. You know, there's a lot of information here and, like I said earlier, it's like a real life clue game. I mean there is so many aspects that were going on there where things could have played right to cause this to happen. And you know you can't, you just can't, you know, throw in the hat this early. So let's talk about some of the theories. So the first of all, and other than suicide, would be the most in every murder investigation, the first place they look, as always, the spouse. So what's the theory about behind how the wife could be the suspect? Well, I mean obviously Victoria, from now will we know, was the last person to see Brian Alive. So, you know, the the probability increases the closer people are with it, you know. So, so she saw him at two hundred and eight am the morning that he left for the trustee office. Is What we're thinking, or what's been reported. So yeah, so there's some discrepancies that that we've found. As far as I think, cent nurse says, around one in forty five he or thirty am. Well, we've found now, which will get into more later, is it looks like he was triggered to leave his home at two hundred and eight am. That sounds like that's from a phone call or text or something. That's a really specific time. Yeah, yeah, it's from something, not to fight, on his phone. That that got him out of bed. Is what we understand now, which we will cover in later episodes. So you know everything that Miss Macron did from the moment he disappeared to this day. You know, sometimes when you follow these cases the spouse doesn't maybe act what you'd expect them to, and that doesn't always mean that they're guilty, but it definitely might raison eyebrow. This macard this whole time is done nothing but be right out there trying to find him. She was out there hanging out flyers. They you know, I think they started at like a tenzero reward for any information. So she certainly seemed in you know, and in my opinion, is not involved. It doesn't seem like someone involved. You know, like when I when I think about back, you know, when I didn't you know, now I kind of have like a little bit of a, you know, personal kind of feeling on this case. But early on, when I didn't know who Brian was, I just knew he was missing and I was interested in it because of it being so local and such a mystery. You know, I first thought like maybe the wife, like it might have been Victoria. You know, she would show any like the last one to see him. And you know what kind of life insurance is out there is what kind of marriage did they have? It's why they're always the first pussy look. And the other part is is like when you look at the articles, you know she really didn't have a voice for the first four or five months. So she's not doesn't seem to be talking, at least into the media. So she's been kind of silent through this. So you know, you kind of you kind of start to wonder. You just you just don't know them, you know, and so you kind of start to to kind of question. So personally, I kind of questioned early on that I wonder if his wife did it. Okay, but think about this, because we know that Brian was kind of a bigger guy, right. He's over six foot tall, over two hundred pounds, and his wife, you know there's a podcast. Who Know I photos or anything, but she is not a very big woman. So just from the logistics of being able to overpower him, stab him and then...

...move his body by herself to dump in a lake, doesn't seem like it would be very likely that she could do that on our own. For one, two would be her opportunities are endless if she was going to kill them, and her options would be endless too. I mean, like poison would have been something that she could have done anything. This would be a harder, more way to do it, I guess right. I mean he traveled selling jewelry. If she was going to hire a hit man, like wait till he's going to Almaha or something, right. And I mean I think they're, you know, kind of counter that ricky. I think also think about if we're getting off of the idea of suicide, then I think we're on a two person job at least. So there's got it, because you can't drive that car and then unless you're just going to like hike it somewhere after. So let's say if they kill Brian, they got his car there, someone has to pick them up or get them a way. So I mean you're really dealing with at least a two person operation. So you know, that does kind of defeat I mean, yes, I think, if you know, we were back in December, fifteen of sixteen and we're going to have a fight and put bets on it. I don't think anybody's going to put a bet on Victoria beating Brian on with with really anything. He's going to be able. He's going to be a sharper shooter, he's going to how to handle a knife. He's just overall larger stronger than Victoria. So I agree with that. But I think we got a factor in a two person job here. What it looks like is the murderer put him in his own vehicle right in Brian's vehicle, or you have to go with the suicide that Brian drove himself there. But if it's a murder, that's a good point that it would be a two person job, which why it is why I wish we knew where in the car that but was located. So if it wasn't the wife, then the next place to look, if you're going out through the circles, was obviously this happened at the township. So could the trustees be involved or the people in the that you would be meeting with, you know, working with at the township building. Right. So we know that that Mike Costello saw him. He would do the movie with him. We don't know who else went to the movie with him, but we do know Mike was there. So and he was, I believe, also at the winking lizard with Brian. So they spent majority of the night together. Well, we don't know. Is We don't know the relationship between Mike and Brian. We don't know. I mean, obviously he wasn't the last person to see him. Could he have been somebody to get Brian Down to that office at two hundred and eight in the morning? Possibly, you know, they shared a mutual interest down there. Why would they need to be down there in the middle of the night? Doesn't make a ton of sense, you know. But so so trustees. You know. Possibly they also have not talked there the other than they do say that they made a statement to law enforcement. But as far as like anything that you know, we the people can decide and way in on, we really don't have much on them. We do have a little bit which will give you guys later on if you've done the digging, you might be to find some of it. I do have, you know, one statement that that I guess no one else really has because it was through email. But that was why you come to us, because we have sources that nobody else has. We do have information and we're not here to, you know, hold it from you guys. We're here to dig of it as directly and honestly as we can. We're not here to be biased or also not here to make enemies of anybody. Were here. I can. I could read the statement from the de B hours. So here's your statement. Out of respect for Brian's family and the ongoing BCI investigation, Mike Custell and I have never interviewed about the...

...case publicly. Our only comments, even at the onset of his disappearance and recovery, have been limited to what we felt necessary to assure the public we serve of their safety. Unfortunately, even that upset Brian's wife tremendously. As we have many requests for public interview, we respectfully decline. Linda bours, wow, she's shooting down the widow. I did not really give I just you know, I said thank you so much for your time, I believe, as a response. You know, it is interesting. It is a dicey situation. As far as you know the relationship between them and I don't know all the relationship or anything. I don't claim to know it, but you know, I when I read that I thought okay, but you know, I've interviewed Victoria for four and a half hours and she laid it all on the line and she wants her voice to be heard. So I don't we're not doing anything that the family doesn't want. They want this, they want this out. So those are some only respect for the family line is Bullshit, right, I think so. Lotcal speak of we don't want to talk. I think she doesn't want to talk, which you know, we're not here to make anybody talk, but we want to the people want to know. You know, we've been waiting for three and a half years for information on this. It's a local guy who did good to our community. We deserve answers. I will just say to play devil's advocate, they may have a lawyer's that wrote them that up for them and said this is what you say to anyone who asks unds like lawyer talk. Yeah, it doesn't add. Well, if there's any interesting facts, land of ours, husband is a lawyer. No. So there you have it. But so so we got the trustees, we've got the the complex of the trustees. There's also another player in there to consider in that would be the maintenance man, but that found him as well. We're talking about this. I guess I'm wondering why would the trustees even have a motive to kill their coworker who everyone seemed like they liked. Well, there was a lot of things going on in the township in two thousand and sixteen. We the township had a Fire Levey and it had the nexus pipeline going through it, which are both very interesting things, inconveniently on the same property and they're both kind of contentious to write. Oh Gosh, you mean if anybody locally remembers all the signs of how everybody hates nexus? Yeah, you know, no one like nexus and Madiah. Well, I shouldn't say that most people didn't like nexus. And Medinah County. Maybe somebody who benefited off of like a pumping station or something like that placed on your land where you're you know, you got a large sum of money, then maybe you would like that. But I think everybody else I got their yards dug up, their trees removed, and then also are now in like a fallout zone of if the MIN catch fire. So we're talking about is a gas pipeline, right, pressurized natural gas, that was going to go from these oil fields eastern Pennsylvania and deliver the gas all the way up into Canada, I think, and a lot of places where one through. They use eminent domain and took people's property away from them. In in Medina County it was a big deal because county judge even had to do like an injunction and give people restrain in orders from their own property to allow the surveyors for this pipe plan to go through and decide, you know, what's going to happen to your property. So people were super offended. And then this pressurized natural gas Danny, it has a blast hideous within like two or three miles so that if it ever did go up, I mean like tons of million, all of us basically are in this kill zone. And so if you're just the average Joe that just has the pipeline going through a No special pumping station, did they give you any money or what are...

...they just ruined your landscape. I don't know if they gave you any money. They may be a little bit, but it's going to kill your property value. So it's an offset. The only people that got windfalls of the people that have pumping stations and stuff like that on their actual property. Yeah, above ground structures, I think mostly got money, all right, but yeah, I I don't know about the people that you know. Just one underground. I didn't hear of anything, but I'm not I did actually reach out to a nexus, a negative nexus group, and but I never did hear back from them. That is definitely something that gets emotions high, intensions high with, you know, corporations coming from out of out of state, out of town and taking your property and the government helping them. Oh, you're already lost because it was at the state level and the federal level. It was a done deal. They even, and they do this with frank into they change the laws, like overrull home ordinances that change people's their cities, zoning codes and stuff like. They're like, you really don't have any power. They decided that it's coming through and it's coming through. Yeah, from my understanding there is a little bit of poll early on. So I mean there's always a question. And if you watch like and I kind of looked at the next is pipeline and seeing how it you know, you'd think it'd be a you know, what's The you know, Short Assistance between two points of a straight line. Right, look at the next is pipeline. Yeah, it's got somewhat, but there's so many different waves and different things that it kind of those ear leagues around. I mean it could have easily gone a little bit farther south and could have been a straight shot, but no, kind of curves up through and spends a lot of, you know, a fair amount of distance inside Lafayette Township, you know. So it's kind of interesting how it it like gets so close to Medina. But you know, it does seem like there's there is some advent, you know, advantages. Like, for instance, clover leaf. The pumping station was put in Cloverleaf School district. So they're in the process of actually getting an influx of money towards the school because it increased that property value. So like a like. So Cloverleaf School district benefited from the pipeline. We don't know how much yet. There was a large amount and then like of course, like you know, Nextus went in and promised all this large am of money and then all of a sudden they're retracting it now and trying to get less. So it's a dispute currently. But you know, there is benefit to the pipeline, but it benefits us very small few and hurts a whole lot of people. Have to say that without any further kind of details or leads on. That is unbelievable scenario but just as likely as any of them. You know, there's nothing, especially tying this to the pipeline. That's the tough part. Yeah, and it's very hard to find that stuff because you know, I mean you just we don't have access to that kind of stuff. But we got the pipeline coming through. Interestingly, there's a fire Levy and part of the the property, which I found was very interesting, was managed by a company called innovator. Medina Port Authority. They and it's called Innovation Park. Innovation Park is where locals would locals no innovation park, but it's where the university background building is. It's overall vacant, although they are working on a company coming in now. But interestingly enough, the township was going to inherit the property where the fire station was going to get put on, or try night in hair, but get be given it by in a by Medina Port Authority in exchange for changing the zoning laws of Innovation Park to allow companies commit, because it's basically set dormant since two thousand and three, I...

...believe it was. I think originally started right. So basically they right now it's zoned like it's light, like super light industrial kind of residential, right, because it's near homes and they want to zone it to allow a little bit more of a manufacturing base. I don't even know if it was light industrial. It was like they wanted a tech company to come in. I mind you, they had craped Internet there, but they wanted a tech company to come in basically and and be there. So it was just like it would be like this office building, basically, and they were trying to out, yeah, not necessarily in like a premost spot, you know, and they were trying to like get the and they gave land to this University of Acron to put a building in, which they did just like a satellite campus or something. Yeah, I don't know what's really run out of there. But their idea was that they were having education with technology, but they didn't have technology. Now madnaport authority is upping their game for it and they're running high speed Internet to that location, which but they but you know, they're sitting on this land trying to develop it and they can't because of the zoning. So they worked with the trustees at that point. Now, they didn't have that set in stone at the time that Brian went missing, but that was in the month, I believe, they were working on the zoning, changing the zoning regulation. So you can imagine the different deals that I mean aren't like we're not seeing. You know, take you know, you've got builders, you've got people that want to bring business in there from the Medina Port Authority. There's there's some very wealthy people that are on the board. They're that could have had a lot of big money interest into Laffitte township at that point and Brian could have been a snag in that spot. I mean, we don't know. This is all speculation. Yeah, lots of money floats around in those those deals and if you ever set in on any kind of town meetings when developers come and try to not have to pay taxes for fifty years if they developed there. Whatever, there's you know, there's always tons of money being talked about. So definitely, whatever there's money, there could be issues the motive. Right. Yeah, right. So it's the same property that Nextus went straight through the pipe. So that's the other part. Is is like you're trying to get this fire Levey approved on property that you don't even know where you're going to to put that building because you don't know where next is going through, and you're asking these people, I believe the the fire station was like four point six million dollar building. That's a hefty bill to be, you know, handled by those residents. You know, there's not a lot of industry there's is there? Well, there's very little industry in Lafayette Township, you know. So it's mostly shouldered by the residents for a fire station when they already have fire so you know there was and Brian was for the Fire Levy. So angry resident? Who? What was he coming if it was an angry resident? We knew there was a resident. Some people said it was an angry yeah, this is the other theory, right, an angry resident could have killed them. Yeah, we've got an information saying resident, we've got information saying angry resident. So you know there's some discrepancies and so our goal is to be a straightforward with the listeners on this case as we possibly can. So Rick we're putting together, oh, whether there's a website out there right that they can go check it out. Yeah, if you go to invisible ships podcastcom, we have show notes and so we're making one now where it's just going to be kind of the depository of all our Brian machrin investigation stuff that we've that Darren mostly is uncovered, but everything work, from the news articles that you're referencing, the your timeline, things like that. So if you're curious, definitely go to...

...invisible ships podcastcom and check that out. Yeah, so we're trying to be a straightforward you, you the listener, read, listen to this, listen to the interviews and then you decide where where the flaws are, where things seem to be investigated further. Our goal, like I said, is to promote awareness for this and hopefully, you know, if we got enough people, which I believe we do, interested in this, it's going to push that investigation further. We all want answers. That's going to do it for this episode. Join US next time as we sit down and talk to Victoria macron and or investigator and what is going to be a fascinating interview. Also want to make sure that you don't miss any of our upcoming podcasts. You can find us on Itunesttcher, spotify, wherever you get your podcast. We also have a web page that we mentioned earlier. That's invisible ships podcastcom and you can even find us on twitter. Our HASHTAG is at chips invisible. We'd like to hear from you and if you enjoy this episode, please rate us on itunes. That just helps get the word out, helps people find the show. Also, and this is probably the most important thing I'm going to say, the family, macrons family is still looking for answers about what happened to him. So if you know anything, if you have any tips or leads, contact crime stoppers or the Madina County sheriff's apartment. And thanks again for listening. We'll see you next time.

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